Russia Is Doing It – Russia Is Actually Abandoning The Dollar

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Snowden's big mistake was he could have simply released data that he felt was illegal but instead Snowden released EVERYTHING....and this resulted in the deaths of over 38 Assets.

    How would YOU like to be the Mother or Father or Brother or Sister of a person who was killed because of of his or her own OUTED them!!??

    I keep a few very special rounds on me in the off chance I might ever run into Snowden.

    Specially designed rounds.....to make it as PAINFUL AS POSSIBLE!!!

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    You either lie or you don't understand processes which were in the USSR. We will take for example Lithuania. During the German occupation 1941 — 1944 against fascism many Lithuanians were at war. Then the USSR on the way to Berlin - exempted Lithuania from the German occupation. At the USSR it wasn't simple to walk a choice across this territory, and then to attach to the Soviet system. Many Lithuanians at the beginning also fought against Soviet. Many supported the USSR. In Lithuania there was a civil war (forest brothers were at war both against the USSR and against Lithuanians who wanted the USSR) Everything ended in 1953.

    After war active restoration of the industry of the republic, creation of a set new, including hi-tech, the enterprises and productions began. Scientific potential developed. in 1990 (after inheritance of the USSR) according to GDP per capita Lithuania took the 39th place in the World.https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Экономика_Литвы#.D0.92.D0.92.D0.9F
    Now GDP per capita Lithuania takes 41-42 place in the World.https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_стран_по_ВВП_(ППС)_на_душу_населения

    You can look at the same and with development of other republics of the USSR.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    OH PLEASE!!!

    There does not exist a single former Soviet State surrounding Russia that does not HATE Russian's in a big way.

    As far as Lithuania....their entire Nation reveled in the Summer Olympic Games when they became a Free Nation Again and the American Band the Greatful Dead bought the Lithuanian Basketball Team Tye Dye Uniforms with a Skeleton Slam Dunking and the words....Lithuania Back From The Dead....on their Basketball Uniforms.

    They came in 2nd only to the U.S. Dream Team and they especially enjoyed beating Russia.

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    It's amusing, though also sad, to watch people claim that one uprising in Ukraine took place as an entirely internal affair while another one soon thereafter was the work of a foreign power. None of us has any solid basis to make a claim one way or the other about either of these events; we're only speculating, all of us about the whole mess. Those who believe this narrative or that tend to base their beliefs on what their flavor of biased government and media spokesholes have been telling them.
     
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    Assets died? How I weep.

    Are you running around Mother Russia with your spy gun and special ammo?
     
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    ...at the time RUSSIA WAS DESPERATE....

    The USA quickly used chaos and I decided to weaken completely Russia - to destroy all nuclear weapon. The USA bought from Russia on cheap stuff 500 tons of the enriched uranium. It was all stock of the USSR which was made by many years. (In Russia there was only an uranium which was on old nuclear missiles)

    Also the USA made a nuclear grave in Russia - where had to store all old nuclear weapon from Ukraine, but some Russia needed. The USA helped and here - gave to Russia the credit under big percent - interest.

    Now about the contract between Ukraine - USA- Russia. There it is said that any country doesn't interfere with affairs of Ukraine. But the USA - Europe the first interfered with internal affairs of Ukraine. They ran on the Kiev Maidan and (distributed cookies - by Victoria Nuland) supported the Ukrainian radicals.
     
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    If there is one thing about myself you will eventually find out it is that I post REALITY and I let the chips fall where they may.

    Somemembers here are attempting to equate a Free Soverign Nation such as the Ukraine....within it's international legal rights hiring U.S. High Tech. Natural Gas Drillers....as somehow being a steping stone to U.S. Attempts to Contain Russia...as this is what this whole thing is about this and Natural Gas.

    The United States does not NEED to attempt to sway former Soviet Satellite States to join NATO or hire U.S. Firms because such Nations having been prisoners in their own lands need no convincing in their attempts to distance themselves as far away from Moscow as possible.

    But in the end...Putin broke a DEAL with the United States.

    He might as well shot himself in the head.

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    Most of people in the World doesn't love the USA now (except Americans), but many want to go to live there. (paradox)
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    I spent a LOT of Time in Russia and Former Soviet States and this Program was a Program that RUSSIA BEGGED US TO DO....we never offered...Russia asked US!

    You are osting a HELL of a lot of revisionist history right now.

    At this point in time....even though Putin keeps hinting....there is NOT going to be any tye of war between the U.S. and Russia and to even say this or consider this is idiotic.

    Putin pretends like the U.S. wants to destroy Russia when we have been doing just about anything we can since the early 1990's to help the Russian's have a viable economy.

    AboveAlpha

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    Do you have any idea how many Russian/American's are Citizens of the United States?

    MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS AND GROWING!

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    Calm down - give the facts! (What specifically Russia asked from you)How many years I travel in the western country's - free help I saw only from old people who go to church.:wink:
     
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    He's certainly correct about the neighboring ex Soviet countries (and I've visited nearly all of them). They all hate your guts
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    Actually I have a number of GOOD RUSSIAN FRIENDS in Moscow, St. Petersburg and even a Family living in Siberia who's Grandfather was sent their by Stalin....and they are good people.

    If you believe PUTIN is good for the average Russian Family then you don't know Russia.

    AboveAlpha

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    You are going to have to clear up what you wrote here because I am not following you.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    While true to an extent, there are a couple of objective truths that can be seen without bias. Our bias may color those truths, but that bias doesn't negate them.

    I would submit that observing that a secession and civil war resulted from a coup doesn't require believing a particular narrative.
     
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    First of all Ukrainian Seperatists could have used LEGAL METHODS in order to have a vote on Sucession.

    This did not happen.

    Putin wanted to stop the Ukraine from replacing Russia as Europes #1 Exporter of Natural Gas.

    The U.S. Gas Drilling Corps. found that the Crimea had over 1000 Times more natural gas than originally thought.

    Putin sends in Spetsnaz and I have trained with members of Spetsnaz in an exchange program back in 96.

    I KNOW how Spetsnaz operate and I myself am proficient in Systema and Sambo.

    This was a Covert Russian Secial Forces Take Over of the Crimea...pure and simple.

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    Seems to me they were prevented from this by Kiev's new government and its quick military response.
     
  16. AboveAlpha

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    I am not going to bust your stones but I just wanted to ask you a few questions to get a better understanding of your thought processes...OK?

    Now....my multiple decade JOB has been to SOLVE PROBLEMS in hot spots all over the world and after the fall of the Soviet Union I spent a lot of time in Russia and in former Soviet Satellite States.

    Now...I have posted the facts about WHY Putin sent in Spetsnaz and annexed the Crimea.

    Were you aware of the Natural Gas issue in Crimea and Putins fear of the Ukraine underbidding Russian Natural Gas so that the Ukraine could use is massive and complex Gas Pipeine to replace Russia as Europe's #1 Supplier of Natural Gas?

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    You visited such people as you ...and engaged in promotion Islamic terrorism for them?
     
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    I will remind you it's simple for me:cool:

    Let me simplify it for you, your just talking blah blah blah and about some Program ,what program are you talking about? Why must I believe you to your word? Confirm your words with some facts?(at least give me a link where it is written)
     
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    Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat ReductionFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Senators Nunn and Lugar leave the White House in 1991 after briefing President George H. W. Bush on the Nunn–Lugar legislationThe Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) Program is an initiative housed within the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA). The CTR program is better known as the Nunn–Lugar Act based on the Soviet Nuclear Threat Reduction Act of 1991 which was authored and cosponsored by Sens. Sam Nunn (D-GA) and Richard Lugar (R-IN). According to the CTR website, "the purpose of the CTR Program is to secure and dismantle weapons of mass destruction and their associated infrastructure in former Soviet Union states."

    CTR provides funding and expertise for states in the former Soviet Union (including Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan) to decommission nuclear, biological, and chemical weapon stockpiles, as agreed by the Soviet Union under disarmament treaties such as SALT I. After nuclear warheads were removed by the FSU military from their delivery vehicles, Nunn-Lugar assistance provided equipment and supplies to destroy the missiles on which the warheads had been mounted, as well as the silos which had contained the missiles. Warheads were then destroyed in Russia, with the highly enriched uranium contained in them made into commercial reactor fuel which was purchased by the U.S. under a separate program.

    In recent years, the CTR program has expanded its mission from WMD at the root source to protecting against WMD "on the move" by enhancing land and maritime border security in the former Soviet Union.

    LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn–Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction


    Summary
    Congress passed the Nunn-Lugar amendment, authorizing U.S. threat reduction assistance to the
    former Soviet Union, in November 1991, after a failed coup in Moscow and the disintegration of
    the Soviet Union raised concerns about the safety and security of Soviet nuclear weapons. The
    annual program has grown from $400 million in the DOD budget to over $1 billion per year
    across three agencies—DOD, DOE, and the State Department. It has also evolved from an
    emergency response to impending chaos in the Soviet Union, to a more comprehensive threat
    reduction and nonproliferation effort, to a broader program seeking to keep nuclear, chemical, and
    biological weapons from leaking out of the former Soviet Union and into the hands of rogue
    nations or terrorist groups, to a global program to address the threat of weapons of mass
    destruction.
    The Department of Defense manages the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) Program, which
    provides Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan with assistance in transporting, storing, and
    dismantling nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. U.S. assistance has helped these nations
    eliminate the delivery systems for nuclear weapons under the START Treaty, secure weapons
    storage areas, construct a storage facility for nuclear materials removed from weapons, construct
    a destruction facility for chemical weapons, and secure biological weapons materials.
    The State Department manages the International Science and Technology Centers in Moscow and
    Kiev. These centers have provided research grants to scientists and engineers so that they will not
    sell their knowledge to other nations or terrorist groups. The State Department has also provided
    assistance with export and border control programs in the former Soviet states. The Department
    of Energy manages programs that seek to improve the security of nuclear warheads in storage and
    nuclear materials at civilian, naval, and nuclear weapons complex facilities. It also funds
    programs that help nuclear scientists and engineers find employment in commercial enterprises.
    DOE is also helping Russia dispose of plutonium removed from nuclear weapons and shut down
    its remaining plutonium-producing reactors by replacing them with fossil-fuel plants.
    Analysts have debated numerous issues related to U.S. nonproliferation and threat reduction
    assistance. These include questions about the coordination of and priority given to these programs
    in the U.S. government, questions about Russia’s willingness to provide the United States with
    access to its weapons facilities, questions about the President’s ability to waive certification
    requirements so that the programs can go forward, and questions about the need to expand the
    efforts into a global program that receives funding from numerous nations and possibly extends
    assistance to others outside the former Soviet Union.

    LINK....http://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL31957.pdf


    The U.S. Cooperative Threat Reduction program since August has deactivated 48 strategic nuclear warheads, Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) announced Friday (see GSN, Sept. 14).

    The Nunn-Lugar effort in that period also eliminated four ICBMs and 16 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, safeguarded three nuclear arms train shipments and supported disposal of nearly 70 metric tons of chemical warfare agents.

    Since being established in 1991 to secure and destroy weapons of mass destruction in former Soviet states, the CTR program has deactivated 7,599 strategic nuclear warheads and destroyed 791 ICBMs, 498 ICBM silos, 180 mobile ICBM launchers, 651 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, 492 SLBM launchers, 32 ballistic missile-capable submarines, 155 strategic bombers, 906 nuclear air-to-surface missiles and 194 nuclear test tunnels.

    The effort has also provided for safeguards of 493 nuclear-weapon train shipments, boosted security at 24 nuclear weapons storage facilities and constructed 20 biological agent monitoring stations. It aided the removal of all nuclear weapons from Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus, nations that once respectively held the world's third-, fourth- and eighth-largest nuclear arsenals

    The Nunn-Lugar program financially supported the elimination of Albania's small stockpile of chemical warfare materials, its first effort outside the former Soviet Union. The initiative has neutralized 1,569.5 metric tons of Russian and Albanian chemical agents (U.S. Senator Richard Lugar release, Oct. 22).

    LINK.....http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/nunn-lugar-program-deactivates-48-strategic-nukes/

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    Let me simplify it for YOU!

    The fact that you actually asked me to post proof in the form of links about a PROGRAM that is so well known that you could probably travel deep into the Amazon Rainforest and ask a Tribesman wearing little more than a THONG and nothing else and say..."Hey! Do you know what the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program is?"


    And that Amazonian Tribesman would most likely say..."Oh yeah....that's the Russian/American Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Destruction Program where American Teams are over in Russia and other former Soviet Satellite States like Georgia and the Ukraine taking apart and destroying all those old Soviet Nukes because the Russian's don't have the money to do it and the U.S. doesn't want them falling into Terrorists hands...right?"


    And we would say....RIGHT!!!!


    I cannot believe you don;t know this because everyone else does!!!!

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    Thanks. Now there is ''a soil for conversation''.
    It is nor Russia asked you - initiator was American agency of DTRA.(from you link...https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Программа_Нанна-Лугара):wink:

    The mutually beneficial contract is more correct to call this help
    ''Help'' consisted in the following:
    For the Russia -
    It was financed
    For the USA-
    1)First of all provided to the USA the safety.
    2)Investigation of the classified information
    3)Due to supply of the low-enriched uranium from Russia since 2000 about 10% of electrogeneration of the USA were provided. (Megatons to Megawatts Program)

    About Ukraine...
    The conclusion of the contract from the USA was coordinated to the solution of a question of elimination of nuclear warheads in the territory of Ukraine after collapse of the USSR. Ukraine wanted to receive compensation for 1900 warheads transferred to Russia. This compensation was provided by Russia in the form of fuel for nuclear power plants of Ukraine for the sum of 160 million USD

    In principle that what i told earlier - the USA were done nothing for free - some people call it HELP
     
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    I and my Team spent a great deal of time providing Security for our Nuclear, Chemical and especially for the Biological Destruction Teams.

    Russia did indeed ask us for help but the Nun-Lugar Program as well as the written agreement between Russia, the United States...and all the former Soviet Satellite States was an issue.

    At that time there were a great number of Old Guard Russian Communist Party Leaders who did not want these old Soviet Weapons Destroyed and fortunately those Russian's who had BRAINS expalined to them that since Russia did not have the money to buy them and destroy them that if the U.S. was not allowed to do this Moscow faced the possibility of Georgia and Ukraine aiming their large nuclear stockpiles at Russia.

    The Old Communists even had a hand in how the wording was written as to not make Russia look like it had lost face.

    Any money paid out to any former Soviet Satellite State came from the United States.

    If you read deeper into this the Nuclear Fuel provided to the Ukraine was not at the time propelry refined for adequate Ukrainian Reactor use.....nor did Russia at the time have the modern transportation ability to ship that amount of fuel to the Ukraine safely.

    Subsequently even though some thing Russia provided that reactor fuel to the Ukraine.....it was the United States and it was flown in to the Ukraine for the U.S. Dept. of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

    The Russian Fuel was shipped to the United States for refining.

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    But the BIGGEST MISTAKE Putin has made was to cancel the Joint Russian/American Siberian Oil and Natural Gas Exploration and Infrastructure Development Program.

    This program was cancelled by Putin 12 years ago as Putin told the Russian People that they did not need the help of the United States.

    Do to this there is less Oil being pumped out of Siberia than there was 12 years ago.

    Right now the Russian Economy could have been BOOMING and millions upon millions of GOOD JOBS would have been created.

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    Ummm what? Yea we only take over the resource by controlling the trade banks. That's all.
    "J.P. Morgan Chase to Run Iraq's Trade Bank, U.S. Says (Update3)

    Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. has been selected to operate a bank the U.S. is creating in Iraq to manage billions of dollars to finance imports and exports.

    J.P. Morgan, the second-largest U.S. bank by assets, will lead a group that includes 13 banks representing 13 countries to run the bank for three years, said Peter McPherson, the top U.S. economic adviser in Iraq.

    ``Iraq will become important to these banks,'' McPherson told reporters in Washington in a conference call from Baghdad. ``These banks were making a view on the future of Iraq.''
    They are actually taking over the whole globe. Russia has stood up and said "You cant have our country and we will not be your colony"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-13/bank-international-settlements-backdoor-betrayal
    "The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:






    1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.



    2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.



    3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.



    4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.



    5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America's ever-expanding “empire of chaos,” and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia's challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.



    6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.



    7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.



    8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order - until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.



    9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia's power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people.

    To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:






    10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States—but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.

    To sum it all up:
    play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?
     
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    Yes....these Banks will be doing this as the Iraqi's themselves approved this.

    Iraq does not have the Banking Industry or Experience to set up such a system...the United States based Banks do.

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