Russian jets in Syrian skies

This really reminds me of the Spanish Civil war, hopefully history does not repeat itself further.

 

Very true. Also we had hundreds of years to learn and accept Democracy. From the Magna Carta on we have been developing. To expect a country that for a thousand years knew only tribal rule, rule by their own to easily accept democracy from a strong central government is not very realistic. The Afghans are being asked to throw out a thousand years of tradition and perhaps even culture in the way they have ruled themselves.

 

US created Taliban and etc because the US supplied arms and money to Afghanistan. After the US invaded Afghanistan, heroin production has increased thousands of times. This heroin goes to EU and Russia. US military aircraft deliver heroin in Kosovo. Albanians distribute heroin in EU. US is a terrorist state.

 

I think that is a huge, huge stretch. The USSR sent troops into Afghanistan to side with the Afghan communist which overthrew the legitimate government of Afghanistan and sided with them against the Afghan Muslims which became known as the mujaheddin. The USSR and her allies in Kabul had little public support, but with the superior fire power of the USSR and her troops, the USSR was winning the war. So you can also attribute the Taliban to the USSR's action of supporting the overthrow of a legitimate government and siding with the communist government which was in such a minority it took the USSR military might to keep it in power. That can work both ways. It is true the U.S. then provided arms to the mujaheddin to sort of even things out.

Had not the USSR intervened in an Afghan civil war there also would never have been any Taliban. But back during the cold war both countries loved to intervene. Afghanistan became the USSR's Vietnam.

 

The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan because the security services of NATO countries began building an army of terrorists in Afghanistan.

 

Because they control cities with many civilians, bombing ISIS means bombing those cities, you dont see the effect because ISIS murdered all the reporters but one some power gets "serious" we might get such images, so the Western Democracies fear it.

 

If it by Russian aircraft or any other Russian entity will attacked , the Russian will certainly attacked aggressor.

 

Okay, not serious and a true believer in propaganda. Not a problem.

 

I am a firm believer never get into a war you do not intend to win. One wins by doing whatever it takes. Do you think we would have won WWII if we didn't bomb German and Japanese cities because of the civilians there?

I really doubt the U.S. will ever fight another war to win. That it will play footsie with any and all future enemies. My advice, never get in another war, just let whatever is going to happen happen.

 

Its kind of against everything the West stands for.., standing aside watching how tyrants mureder their own ppl, perhaps the entire Democratic system is wrong, God knows there are much more idiots than smart ppl. slippery slop this is.

 

Certainly, the US has to go in then. It can do a much better job at killing millions of people. The US especially loves to burn a large portion of them to death with napalm or white phosphorous.

 

It is a very slippery slope and there is no right actions or for that matter, no right none or no action for us to take. It probably is a case over there is no matter what we do or what we do not do, it only will make things worse. The whole situation over there was probably preventable, but we had no will to do the preventing either. Such is life in the Middle East.

 

How can you say tyrants are against what the West stands for, when we are the ones arming Poroshenko so he can kill his own people?

 

Before being so dismissive, you may want to read the linked article to see just what US support of the mujahideen brought about. We totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up that country and it has yet to recover.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan_story_untold.html

 

Can we thank president James Carter and his former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski for this? Whoops, almost forgot our Democratic Party Texan Charlie Wilson for his contribution.

 

Yep, and don't forget that Reagan, G.H.W. Bush and Clinton continued the policy.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan_story_untold.html

 

No one is disputing what was done after the initial actions of the three I mentioned. If they hadn't begun the actions then I would agree with you.

 

Why did the Soviet Union wanted the invasion of Afghanistan? What's the point?

 

I was not surprised by US actions. I am surprised inaction of Europe. US destroy Europe but people in Europe believe that the US is friend.

 

I dont recall reading about secret police, kidnaps, public executions etc' in Ukraine before the "feedom fighters" or whatever started to tear down thier own country.

 

Let me explain something. There are certain institutions that decide what the US government's policy should be. If human lives are at stake in the Middle East, Africa or Eastern Europe, it doesn't matter. All that matters is to follow the plan that the 'think tanks' like Brookings have come up with...and to try to hide what they are doing from the American people.

If the American people were to find out what Washington's policies are and the indifference they have towards human lives, they might try to change it and that would upset the lobbyists who support the President and Congress like the oil companies, the drug companies, the Pentagon's military industrial complex, Aipac, the agri companies, etc. etc.

The financial backers who support the president and congress, not only own Washington...but thanks to Bill Clinton, they also own the news sources. Ninety percent of our media is owned by the same six corporations, so there is no free press. If the press doesn't follow what Washington and their bosses tell them, they will cease to exist or they will be fired and will never be able to find a job again.

As for Assad, he is not a tyrant, that is simply Washington propaganda because it wants Syria broken up into pieces. Assad is the most tolerant leader in the Middle East. There were provocateurs among the protesters and they had killed the Syrian police the same way they had attacked and killed the police at Maidan. Assad had to respond to it and break up the protests.

If there is a war going on, it's because Washington has trained and supported the jihadists so they can fight Assad. First of all he was voted in by a large majority of the people, and he is the only one protecting the Christians, Alawites, Shias and the other minorities. If he goes they will all be massacred...that's why all these hundreds of thousands of refugees are running into Europe.

 

If one looks at history there was a military coup where the communist faction overthrew the legitimate Muslim government. That communist faction in Kabul was in danger of falling to the legitimate government forces, so the USSR went in to back the communist in Kabul. Remember, the cold war was still going on and keeping a government on one's side, east or west, one did what they thought had they had to do.

Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, invasion of Afghanistan in late December 1979 by troops from the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union intervened in support of the Afghan communist government in its conflict with anticommunist Muslim guerrillas during the Afghan War (1978–92) and remained in Afghanistan until mid-February 1989.

In April 1978 Afghanistan’s centrist government, headed by Pres. Mohammad Daud Khan, was overthrown by left-wing military officers led by Nur Mohammad Taraki. Power was thereafter shared by two Marxist-Leninist political groups, the People’s (Khalq) Party and the Banner (Parcham) Party—which had earlier emerged from a single organization, the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan—and had reunited in an uneasy coalition shortly before the coup. The new government, which had little popular support, forged close ties with the Soviet Union, launched ruthless purges of all domestic opposition, and began extensive land and social reforms that were bitterly resented by the devoutly Muslim and largely anticommunist population. Insurgencies arose against the government among both tribal and urban groups, and all of these—known collectively as the mujahideen (Arabic mujāhidūn, “those who engage in jihad&#8221—were Islamic in orientation.

http://www.britannica.com/event/Soviet-invasion-of-Afghanistan

 

Well then maybe you better find out what kind of government we put in Ukraine, and why Crimea and Donbas declared their independence.

 

I can believe all but the Muslim Jihadist or ISIS followers would be massacred. They have done enough of that, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind. As for the political system in the U.S. I realized a long time ago it had been bought and paid for. But most Americans are indifferent and only pay attention to what is going on in Washington once every four years. Then they vote their pocket book most of the time. They fail to realize that the people you mentioned and their cash is what supports our two main parties. Most Americans think there is a huge difference between them and believe their rhetoric.

Republican President, Democratic President, Republican Congress, Democratic Congress, what difference does it really make when they can only do what their financial backers let them do. ISIS could have been dealt with fairly easily if we wanted or had the will or the permission of the financial backers of our political system.

I would rather have Assad in charge in Syria than ISIS, I would rather have Qaddafi back in charge in Libya than Libya being a training ground and safe haven for terrorists. But what I rather means nothing in the grand scope of things, in the world of geopolitics.

 

Because the Europeans are as stupid as the Greeks. Washington has gained from the sanctions while the EU is being destroyed...yet they think they are still their friends. The same with the Greeks, for years the EU bankers have been lying and telling them they will be out of debt in two years when they knew the debt was unsustainable. But like idiots they refuse to pull out of the Eurozone.

I think it's a fear of that which they don't know. The 'Anglo' world is known to them, but not the Russian world.