Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

IF I say Russia's military is made up of a
angry drunk albinos with bad teeth is that racist?

Russia had the world's first transexuals called Olga and and Ursula. No wait they were just hairy.

There I hope all you Russian contributors on this thread feel my love and support for your invasion of Ukraine.

As for a Vlad he is a man with size anxiety. His sunburned missile fools no one.

 

Shifty gifty....you could probably have someone physically urinate on your head and you would be convinced its actually raining outside on a bright sunny day.


And for you its the USA is finished and in the $hitter....and on and on.)

 

Yes true....Vladolf probably has inferiority complex. He's short....many short people have that feeling that they're being pissed upon.

 

Yeah, bit of a worry.
Maybe in the next big war tanks will go the way of the battleships.
And what will war look like then? Maybe missiles, cyber, laser and satellite.

 

Biden needs to immediately withdraw Nato from Ukraine...Turkish troops too or by week's end we're going to have a terrible conflict. The sad thing is this is exactly what Biden wants, energy wars over Nordstream 2 and the resources in the Black Sea...likely also Russia's claim on the Arctic. For the same reason America is stirring conflict in the South China sea...resources America wants and needs...and many will die for.

Of course the American economy need such vast quantities of oil to function they basically have to take everything globally. Don't think they are going to fall on their sword for the good of the rest of the planet.

American Nuclear sub in the Black sea

https://warnews247.gr/to-kynigi-tou...ontre-oi-tourkoi-entromoi-dilonoun-oudeteroi/

 

The junta in Kiev is not defending anything, since the lands they live on hasn't been Russian for 1,000 years. Nor are the people living there culturally Russian. The junta's problem is that they want lands that were never theirs, and in order to get that land and yet remain in power, they have to ethnically cleanse and exterminate the Russian population.

If it was otherwise, they would have followed the Minsk agreement - but they didn't. To keep this from happening, is why Ukraine is now surrounded by Russian troops.

 

Is this link even reliable?

 

Apparently the majority of Ukraine citizens and its Government disagree. And what was the status quo 1000 years ago anywhere is irrelevant. What matters is the here and now. You might not like that, I may not like it. But like or dislike that's how it is - for everyone.

 

Erdogan's in big trouble. For one, their enemies; Greece, Cyprus and Israel have now formed a military alliance.

Greece's foreign minister in his talks with his counterpart in Turkey, took the offensive and condemned every aggressive move Turkey has made towards the Greek islands and territorial waters - and in front of reporters no less. They are still reeling from it.

Turkey's Lira is falling, and Russia is pressuring them economically for their backstabbing. Moscow stopped all tourism and planes from going to Turkey. They're also delaying the Turkish trucks from exiting Russia.

Ankara says they are not taking sides, yet other than drones, they have sent militants (terrorists) from Idlib to Southern Ukraine. They're doing exactly what they did in Navorno Karabach except Russia is not Armenia. Tough luck Erdogan you're doomed.

Yesterday Natalia Poklonskaya gave Erdogan a big warning, that he better stop his designs towards Crimea, unless he wants to lose Istanbul.

 

Apparently you can't keep up. The majority of Ukraine elected Victor Yanukovych. Then our corrupt ass government ala Barack Hussein Obongo got him ousted via an illegal coup. Ever since, the ethnic Russians in the Donbass have been denied the right to vote.

As for the 'here and now'. There are two breakaway republics in the Donbass. Ukraine should withdraw their goons...who constantly fire upon civilians. Ukraine lost, get over it.

 

I bury nothing. What you forget and what I was pointing out is that photos and patriotic videos of 'super weapons' aren't the same thing as the mass deployment of fully operation systems in numbers large enough to make a difference on the battlefield. For all of Putin's PR releases about about the supersonic missiles, the Armata tank and SU-57 etc none of these systesm are widely deployed. There is what? one air unit equipped with SU-57sperhaps a dozen or so air frames in total. The Armarta? isn't in mass production and may not be for some time if ever and doesn't equip any Russian combat unit as its dominant fighting platform. The reason cost. Both systems are currently too expensive to put into production.

And its not just an issue for Russia, America had the same problem with its Zumwalt destroyer program. On paper an excellent 'stealth' fighting vessel that would make a significant contribution to the US fleet in combat. In practice? Only 3 were ever built. The reason too expensive/complex to produce in numbers big enough to be useful.

So my point still stands - come back to me when Russia has its 'wunder' hyper-sonic missiles deployed in the field in large enough numbers to actually make make a difference in combat with Russian units across the country having it in their armories as a standard munition. Until then? It's only real purpose is PR.

 

LOL...one reason that DPR can't vote or has difficulty voting is that there's regular razgul Russkis in DPR....is this so hard for you to understand?

Yeah it is a case of "here&now"....obviously some entities have trouble understanding this. Ukraine is firing at the razgul Rusdkis who are embedded amongst the civilians....(common practice for them). The do called rebels....many of them are either dead,in jail, or melted back into society. They've figured out they were being used as bait by their "handlers".

 

I repost a response I made to another posterthats relevant:

' ...I was pointing out is that photos and patriotic videos of 'super weapons' aren't the same thing as the mass deployment of fully operation systems in numbers large enough to make a difference on the battlefield. For all of Putin's PR releases about about the supersonic missiles, the Armata tank and SU-57 etc none of these systesm are widely deployed. There is what? one air unit equipped with SU-57sperhaps a dozen or so air frames in total. The Armarta? isn't in mass production and may not be for some time if ever and doesn't equip any Russian combat unit as its dominant fighting platform. The reason cost. Both systems are currently too expensive to put into production.

And its not just an issue for Russia, America had the same problem with its Zumwalt destroyer program. On paper an excellent 'stealth' fighting vessel that would make a significant contribution to the US fleet in combat. In practice? Only 3 were ever built. The reason too expensive/complex to produce in numbers big enough to be useful.

So my point still stands - come back when Russia has its 'wunder' hyper-sonic missiles deployed in the field in large enough numbers to actually make make a difference in combat with Russian units across the country having it in their armories as a standard munition. Until then? It's only real purpose is PR'

 

You don't read do you?

I've already said I have no information or opinion on the Dumbass, sorry Donbass situation one way or the other. Beyond saying a solution needs to be negotiated. In short I don't care who is right or who is wrong, I don't care who shot who first. All I care about is that a settlement is reached and that the killing stops. And yes I know, like all such deals neither side will be satisfied - that's a given with such treaties.)

Where I have commented however my comments have been directed to posts stating claiming that a full scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia would succeed and solve the problem. It wouldn't. And secondly, that Russia's vaunted 'super weapons' would save the day. They won't - until such time as they have been built in numbers large enough to be effective. Which they have not. And by the time they are chances are that Russia's opponents will have counter systems. And the merry-go round then continues as it has since the invention of the stone axe.

 

Oh I read just fine. I read when you waded into this thread not knowing a thing about what you said and I've been reading your attempts to extract yourself without a lot of embarrassment. Too late.

 

If you say so newbie.

Although your still not addressing the points I raised are you? Just going with a standard 'you know nothing' response every time someone dares to disagree with you. Sad.

 

First off, there has been an agreement signed ..... The Minsk 2 accords. Ukraine has not lived up to its end of the bargain and the government is powerless to due to the Right Sektor crazies apparently having the whole of government by the balls. Ukraine has a Nazi problem and nothing will be resolved until that problem is solved. As an aside, that NATO encourages this to continue is unconscionable.

Now, to the current situation. Russia will not need any of its next-gen weapons to accomplish whatever it deems necessary. NATO knows this, too, as evidenced by Biden's blinking on sending warships into the Black Sea. Britain's recent announcement of sending warships to the Black Sea in May is a hollow and laughable *threat*.

All that being said, Russia will not make the first move in Ukraine. Escalation is up to Zelensky and his NATO masters. However, Russia is ready. Anytime they're feeling froggy, JUMP!!

 

It's very reliable, but most of it is only a military and political analysis of the situation. According to them, Belarus will unite with Russia because Lukashenko said a while ago that it's the only way to avoid a color revolution.

Ukraine said that Russia has plans to annex the two Republics in the Donbas, and maybe take more of the former lands of New Russia. I know many people have left Donbas because they know there will be an impending war. Also yesterday the people in Donbas were given pamphlets telling them how to protect themselves from attacks.

The ultimatum about Nato leaving Ukraine is hearsay, but it's probably true because Russia does not want Nato in Ukraine and on its border. Oddly enough, yesterday Biden mentioned something about respecting Russian 'space'.

Anyway read the whole analysis on the following:

https://warnews247.gr/tria-krisima-...i-tis-oukranias-entoni-kinitikotita-sto-nato/

If they had paid heed to Bismarck, they wouldn't be shocked.

 

100% correct. A nazi problem created by none other than Barack Hussein Obongo and the Nuland gang via the 2014 coup.

 

Good point. Whether they are the final form of agreement or not (these things tend to go through several iterations before a final deal is reached (e.g the former Yugoslavia) they should be adhered to, That said though fighting has been documented by both sides. Ultimately Ukraine is going to have to concede something but so are the Russian minorities. But as I said I have insufficient knowledge of the causes of the dispute to comment on it more than agreeing a final negotiated settlement is needed.

As noted previously though the US or NATO doesn't need to put large significant naval units in the Black Sea to support Ukraine. That can be done from the Med if required at all. That said deployment of US vessels to the Black Sea at the moment would only serve to inflame the situation further without adding anything by way of a potential solution. I mean what are they going to do their except sit of shore flying the flag?

So why would Biden bother? it's not fear that's keeping the US navy out of the Black Sea, its the lack of a pressing reason for it to be there at this time when doing so would only raise tensions. So it's a no brainer for Biden to keep them out unless circumstances change radically. Not sending sends a message as much as sending them does.

 

Ongoing Violations of International Law and Defiance of OSCE Principles and Commitments by the Russian Federation in Ukraine
As delivered by Acting Deputy Chief of Mission Gregory Macris
to the Permanent Council, Vienna
February 14, 2019

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This week marks four years since the signing of the third and final Minsk agreement, the so-called “Package of Measures.” Although the sides committed on February 12, 2015 to “an immediate and comprehensive ceasefire,” Russia quickly undermined the commitment it had just signed. Russia-led forces shelled and captured the city of Debaltseve and more than 1,500 square kilometers of territory beyond the line of contact. Its ongoing aggression has resulted in the deaths of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.

For four years now, the totality of the Minsk agreements outlined a viable path out of this devastating conflict. Yet for four years, we have watched Russia, and the forces it arms, trains, leads, and fights alongside, contravene the most fundamental element of the agreement, namely an immediate and comprehensive ceasefire across the line of contact.

While Debaltseve and massive casualty numbers fade in memory, daily life still remains filled with terror, injury and death in this Russia-manufactured conflict. In its February 11 daily report, the SMM documented an elementary school in Russia-controlled Zolote 5 that has been damaged at least four times by small arms and indirect fire since December 25. Children had to shelter in a basement during a recent artillery barrage, forcing school administrators to close the school indefinitely to protect the students. We call upon the sides to prioritize measures to ease the suffering of civilians on both sides of the line of contact, beginning with a complete ceasefire, withdrawal of proscribed weapons, and disengagement of forces.

We are concerned by reports of ongoing violence near the Donetsk Filtration Station. The staff of this important facility risk personal danger to ensure water reaches more than a million people on both sides of the line of contact. The introduction and establishment of safety zones around this and other civilian infrastructure, including schools and utility stations, would improve conditions significantly. We also call on Russia to direct the forces it arms, trains, leads, and fights alongside to support the opening of additional crossing points along the line of contact, which would improve conditions for the thousands of civilians who cross it regularly.

Mr. Chair, Russia’s efforts to destabilize Ukraine are not limited to fighting along the contact line. In its February 5 weekly report, the SMM highlighted the negative economic effects of Russia’s obstruction and harassment of shipping in the Sea of Azov. The director of a ship repair yard in Mariupol described a reduction in business following Russia’s attack near the Kerch Strait, during which it unjustifiably rammed, fired upon, and seized three Ukrainian naval vessels and their crew and blocked the Kerch Strait in violation of international law. We, along with the vast majority of participating States, call on Russia to respect its international obligations and immediately cease obstructing, delaying, and harassing the transit of vessels in the Kerch Strait bound for Ukrainian ports; to immediately release the seized vessels and 24 Ukrainian personnel; and to de-escalate the tensions it has stoked.

Mr. Chair, we are troubled by Russia’s ongoing repression in occupied Crimea, including reports that the Russian government is pressuring YouTube to take down a video produced by a Ukrainian human rights group that highlights the case of imprisoned Crimean Tatar human rights activist Emir-Usein Kuku. Mr. Kuku faces up to twenty-five years in prison on baseless terrorism charges in retaliation for his civic activism in opposition to the occupation. We call on Russia to end its occupation, to cease its efforts to censor information about its shameful abuses in Crimea, and to immediately release Kuku, his five co-defendants, and all of the approximately 70 other Ukrainians it has wrongfully imprisoned for their dissent.

The United States fully supports Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, including its territorial waters. We do not, nor will we ever, recognize Russia’s purported annexation of Crimea. We join our European and other partners in affirming that our Minsk-related sanctions against Russia will remain in place until Russia fully implements its Minsk commitments. The separate, Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns full control of the peninsula to Ukraine.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

https://osce.usmission.gov/on-russias-ongoing-violations-in-ukraine-17-2/

 

On Russia’s Ongoing Aggression against Ukraine and Illegal Occupation of Crimea
As delivered by Chargé d’Affaires Courtney Austrian
to the Permanent Council, Vienna
April 15, 2021


Thank you, Madam Chair.



For seven years, Russia has orchestrated a large-scale hybrid campaign against Ukraine, while denying its involvement and obstructing progress toward a peaceful resolution of the conflict. Now Russia is further escalating tensions through its flash military build-up in occupied Crimea and on Ukraine’s eastern flank. Over the last few weeks, participating States of this Permanent Council watched as Russia crafted its latest false narrative to accompany the build-up. It repeated elements yesterday in the Joint PC-FSC meeting—convened at Ukraine’s request to gain clarity regarding the situation on the ground and Russia’s intentions—even though Russia’s disinformation contradicts the facts as reported by the SMM. We should now be very clear: Russia, and not Ukraine, is responsible for any escalation on the ground in eastern Ukraine.

Long before any actual increase in violence, our Russian colleagues suggested Ukraine was preparing to expel Russia-led forces from the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

In fact, there is zero evidence Kyiv has or is planning any military operation. We’re less sure about Moscow’s plans. Therefore, we welcomed Ukraine’s invocation of Chapter III of the Vienna Document, to seek clarity on Russia’s military activities in the region, which include the largest massing of Russian forces near and in occupied Ukraine since 2014.

While the guns fell nearly quiet in eastern Ukraine, Russia chose to obstruct peace negotiations, spread disinformation, and spew escalatory rhetoric. At a recent Trilateral Contact Group meeting Russia went further; refusing to recommit to the ceasefire. Russia did not participate at all in the first of the two meetings convened this week to discuss its unusual military activities, despite its long-standing role in promoting—even authoring the VDoc articles on—military transparency. At the PC-FSC yesterday, Russia did not offer details regarding its own military activities and intentions to reassure neighbors but rather, baselessly alleged that Ukraine and the West were actually violating VDoc!

Ceasefire violations, while still lower in number than in previous years, continue, including upwards of 900 ceasefire violations in a single 24-hour period, a level of fighting not seen since before the hard-won July 27 recommitment to ceasefire ushered in the lowest levels of violence since 2014. The Mission continues to report on restrictions on the movement of monitors, with the overwhelming majority, as usual, imposed in Russia-held areas. We are also hearing more frequently of efforts to damage, or interfere with, the Mission’s UAVs.

And, most worrying, the SMM has reported on several civilian casualties in recent weeks, including two fatalities. These casualties remind us the civilian communities of eastern Ukraine pay the highest price for Russia’s aggression.

Russia has not let up its grip on Crimea, where Crimean Tatars, ethnic Ukrainians, and others who oppose the occupation, are targets of repression at the hands of occupation authorities. We are deeply troubled by the account of imprisoned RFE/RL freelance journalist Vladislav Yesypenko, who alleged he was subjected to beatings, death threats, and torture to coerce him into a confession, the tape of which was shown on Russia’s propaganda networks last month. We call on Russia to release Yesypenko and the nearly 100 other Ukrainians it has imprisoned in retaliation for their independent journalism, activism, religious practice, or peaceful opposition to the occupation. As we have long said, Russia’s increasing militarization of Crimea threatens our common security, a point underscored in recent weeks by Russia’s buildup of troops in Crimea and Ukraine’s eastern flank. We condemn Russia’s continuing conscription of Crimean men into its Armed Forces, which is inconsistent with international humanitarian law.

Russia’s international reputation has suffered greatly because of the conflict it fomented and continues to fuel in eastern Ukraine. We call on Russia to cease its provocations and escalatory rhetoric and engage in good faith negotiations to bring an end to this needless conflict.

Madam Chair, the United States fully supports Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, including its territorial waters. We do not, nor will we ever, recognize Russia’s purported annexation of Crimea. We join our European and other partners in affirming our Ukraine-related sanctions against Russia will remain in place until Russia fully implements its Minsk commitments and Russia returns full control of Crimea to Ukraine.



Thank you, Madam Chair.

https://osce.usmission.gov/on-russi...-ukraine-and-illegal-occupation-of-crimea-21/

 

Right of Reply to Russia On Russia’s Military Activities near Ukraine’s border and in Russia-occupied Crimea
As delivered by Chargé d’Affaires Courtney Austrian
to a special joint session of the Forum for Security Cooperation and the Permanent Council,
Vienna April 14, 2021

Thank you, Mister Chair.

For months now, Russia has woven fantasies about Ukraine’s alleged military preparations to expel Russia-led forces from the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. Our esteemed Russian colleagues painted a picture of worsening conditions on the ground in eastern Ukraine, long before it had truly worsened. Despite Russian efforts to convince us these fabrications hold a shred of truth, there is zero evidence Kyiv is planning a large-scale military operation. We’re less sure about Moscow.

When Russia first began spinning its false narrative of worsening tensions in the Donbas, the United States and other participating States accurately noted that the real situation was actually far better than in previous years. Total ceasefire violations, as well as civilian and military casualties were fewer than when compared with the same period last year. That said, each one of these casualties is a tragedy, and all are due entirely to Russia’s aggression.

I would remind my Russian colleagues that large military activities on the border of, or indeed in the territory of, a neighbor without prior notification, as is the case here, are destabilizing, particularly when given the context and the history. It raises questions about intention, and to our knowledge, Ukraine has taken no step that could be viewed as provoking such a response. We again call on Russia to explain the size, composition, and purpose of this activity.

Related to the points raised by my esteemed colleague, NATO has acted in a responsible, transparent, measured, and open manner in the context of significant uncertainties in the region caused by Russian activities. It is Moscow that needs to meaningfully and immediately deescalate and to do so in a transparent and verifiable manner. If Russia has concerns about NATO or U.S. forces in Europe, it should use the appropriate provisions of the Vienna Document to request additional information or transparency.

Related to our assistance to Ukraine, our assistance is provided in a legal and transparent manner and consistent with Ukraine’s right to self defence.

I would like to close, however, by welcoming Russia’s decision to participate in today’s meeting, as I do think that dialogue is a key component in our work here at the OSCE. So thank you very much.

https://osce.usmission.gov/right-of...kraines-border-and-in-russia-occupied-crimea/

 

Following your reasoning, why would Britain announce sending 2 warships right after Biden didn't?

More generally, why would NATO even want to support Ukraine at this time? What they are supporting is a fringe group of NAZIs hell-bent on starting a war. This is not Syria, where we supported head-choppers. Russia has drawn a clear red line here and, as far as I know of, Russia wins in all non-nuclear scenarios that have been war-gamed in the past.