Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

They are fighting now, but as far as I know Russia is not involved. Only the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics have responded to Kiev's attacks on civilians and infrastructure. Frankly I don't know what Kiev's game is.

 

Sorry, but I was among those who confronted them through the decades of the Cold War. We wiped the floor with them then and can do it again. Putin's Russia is a mere shadow of the old Soviet Union; he tries by bluster to compensate for the downsizing of Russian power.

 

Kiev's "game" is to be independent of Russian tyranny.

 

To be free of Russia by exterminating the Russian population. Didn't they do that to the Poles in WWII?

Aggressors tend to project, and it's been the cause of all wars.


Projection, projection!
It's what some do!
And cannot see what's right and true.
But only see themselves in you.

Yet they should know that what they say,
reflects on them in a bad way.
For others not such fools will be
to fall for their projectory - Jeannette

 

All the jaunty graphics in the world can't disguise the Russians' aggression.

 

And the ME wants to be independent of "American" tyranny .. and Russia too - and example of which is the funding to Ukraine.

 

Protecting one's people who live on their ancestral lands and are under he tyranny of a fascist junta in Kiev, is not aggression. Russia is not going to allow them to have the fate of the Poles in WWII, when the West Ukrainians joined the Nazis and exterminated them so they could take their lands.

As for the news, here's a translation from a Greek Site on what's going on that you're not going to find in our propaganda networks:

While U.S. and British mercenary forces and special forces personnel from the two NATO countries have been deployed near Mariupol and had contact with the Russian-speakers with artillery fire, at sea the Russians sent a clear message to NATO to stay away from the region:

The Russian frigate "Admiral Essen" launched Kalibr cruise missiles in front of American ships in the Black Sea that were detached from the 6th Fleet and had entered the Black Sea.

Russian missiles passed a few miles in front of the bows of U.S. ships, while Su-35 fighter jets performed surface-to-surface attack drills with supersonic anti-ship missiles.

The move is unprecedented and has not been recorded in even the most trying moments of the Ukrainian coup in 2014 that led to Crimea's secession from Ukraine and its reintegration into the Russian national body.

The Russian Defence Minister Shoigu himself, gave an order to mobilise the Russian Mediterranean, Black Sea, Caspian and Baltic Fleet while three Russian warships and abatics also sailed and headed for the Black Sea from the... Channel.

Six Russian submarines docked at the Black Sea seas have sailed in an unknown direction, but the four are clearly moving within the Black Sea basin, as they have not left the Straits.

The Russian submarines were spotted by two Ukrainian ships: near Mariupol in the east and near Odessa in the west.

At the same time, an order was given and the Southern Military Region is proceeding with large exercises involving the Air Force, Air Defence, the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Under the command of the Russian Commander, General Alexander Dvornikov, in order to provide assistance to the Russian-speakers, who face in Donbass a huge Ukrainian force of 90,000!

What all this means: The Russians have discerned that a double blow is likely to be attempted against the independent Russian-speaking republics of Donbass and against the Russian presence in Syria by the new Biden administration.​

 

The Russians are paper tigers easily swept aside by truly capable military and naval forces.
The Russians are oppressive but they are merely thugs.

 

Wow....thats some allegation.

Funny though....I talked with my acquaintance in Kharkiv, who isn't far from DPR DMZ....theres no 90K Nato or Ukranian forces. No movements on Odessa,or Zaporozia , no massive Russki fleet in the Mediterranean, no hundreds of MSMs or journalists at or near DMZ.....but I do know that NATO is scheduled for some manoveurs and training with Ukraine in Odessa and area this July.....some 40K troops from 15 NATO states.

 

Perhaps but don't think Ukraine qualifies as a "Truly Capable" Military/Navy.

Russia does not really have much of a navy - a total of 1 Aircraft Carrier - but then again .. who would Russia be attacking by Sea ? - so not much point.

Navies in general though are obsolete against powers with modern missile technology - sitting ducks - unable to defend.

So your claim is correct - what little Russian Navy there is - could be easily swept away by our missiles - but our Navy would also be swept away by their missiles.

 

Do not assume the full extent of US Navy ship defense and anti-missile capability is publicly known.

 

Russia's "aggression" pales compared to ours.

They have legitimate concerns about our aggression by way of Ukraine.

They get invited into Syria and announce their intentions at the UN.

We commit military aggression all over the globe and say we're spreading democracy.

Can you imagine the howls of indignance if Russia placed troops in Mexico or Cuba as we've placed troops all along their border?

 

You have been watching too many Roswell Crash shows.

We have no ability to defend against the current missile threat - least according to the Admirals - who do know the extend of our defense capability

 

NATO nations along Russia's border solicit US deployments because they fear the Russians, with good reason. There's no equivalence between us and them. The Russians have clients; we have allies.

 

You deliver government and NATO psychobabble in a most excellent manner Jack.

 

We'll disagree. I spent decades working in the defense/intel sector, and after my first retirement I did a stint with Raytheon. Remember the iceberg: nine tenths is invisible below the surface.

 

I do not need to resort to personal insults.

 

Complete BS on your part.

1) No modern naval force as shown the extreme vulnerabilities to missiles that you are suggesting.
2) No Soviet or Russian missile system has ever worked remotely as well as they have claimed (to a lesser extent this is true of the U.S. as well).
3) To "point" #1, a strong navy allows a nation to have as much or as little of war as it wants. A nation can rarely survive a devastating defeat on land. Nations can (and have survived) devastating defeats at sea.

 

It was a compliment sir! You are a master of the art!

 

That's true for all Abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

This gives hope that the powerful Russian Orthodox Christianity will soon recognize satanic Vladimir Putin as the enemy of the believers. I don't like them all, but I appreciate it when bad guys annihilate each other.

 

Dude - we have no defense against cruise missiles. Missile technology has advanced way quicker than our ability to defend.

Maybe the laser technology will get there one day .. but it is not there yet.

 

AEGIS missile defense systems have been able to shoot down cruise missiles for the U.S. Navy for 40 years.

 

As I said, we'll disagree.

 

Now you are projecting . your tendency for BS - onto others.

Russian missiles systems work very well - hence why nations like Turkey (a Nato member) and India - are buying the S-400 system.

The Patriot System on the other hand - could not even handle Iranian missiles.

The fact of the matter is that Russian missiles do not have to work well - just well enough to run the ship out of ammo to defend - which does not take long - at which point the ship is a sitting duck.

Sorry Dayton .. dem ships are Obsolete ...

 

The S-400 supposedly "working well" has nothing to do with why the Turks are buying it.

And a Burke class destroyer equipped with AEGIS has something like 60+ Standard II SAMs. No Burke class destroyer is going to be targeted by remotely near that number of Russian missiles. If they're doing that then the Russians have already lost the battle.