" safe spaces "

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  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I keep hearing the use of the term safe space used to describe events that exclude white people.

    Can someone explain to me why anyone would feel the need to exclude whites? This of course implicitly implies that white people are unsafe to people of color.

    To me it sounds like nothing more than a justification to choose to separate based on race. I thought we had a whole civil Rights movement about that but I must have been mistaken because it seems to be in fashion these days.

    The more things change the more they stay the same.

    You can't claim you're against racism and discrimination unless you are against it across the board.... If you think it's okay for One race but not the other you might just be a racist yourself.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I see you using this term so I wonder if you might be kind enough to explain exactly what a safe space is?
     
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    So no one wants to help me understand why we need white people free spaces?

    I guess it is kind of hard to justify the racism that inspires such a thing.

    Kind of funny how desegregation was the focus of civil rights and now people actually want segregation.
     
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    That would depend on the facts and circumstances. But a "safe space" is a place that is defined as intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism, or potentially threatening actions, ideas, or conversations. A library is a safe space since everyone must be quiet, people getting books of their choosing, etc without anyone criticizing what book they choose at the public library, a school library, or even a private library. Legally, it can be a place where one can drop off a baby for adoption at a police station or fire station for instance while many states have codified this very thing instead of charging someone with child abandonment/neglect for instance. But on college campuses, it is generally described as a place free from ridicule from others. But it is intended for any marginalized group that can come together to communicate. It can also mean that as a student body, its student government does not tolerate any threats of violence or acts of violence towards anyone. But that is the best definition I know of.
     
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    When are white people marginalized in this country?
     
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    I'm thinking more about the whites-free Christmas party that you said you understood about the safe space....

    Are the white people dangerous?
     
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    Then show me where whites in general are marginalized.
     
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    Evidently the mayor's Christmas party...
    Being turned down for a job even though they are more qualified to fill a racial quota.

    Not qualifying for government loans that only exist for certain races.

    Hospitals that prioritized covid treatment for minorities over the majority.

    Being referred to as colonizers..... Being assumed to have some sort of inherent privilege that others don't.

    Being assumed to be racist simply because they're white.

    Being assumed to be The descendants of slave owners simply because of their skin color
     
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    When they are excluded from academic, or professional consideration solely because of the color of their skin, or when they are excluded from business holiday parties solely because of the color of their skin.

    Or when a person is described as an "oppresser" solely because of the color of their skin.

    Or when a person and their family are needy but exempt from public assistance solely because of the color of their skin.

    When they are excluded from promotion solely because of the color of their skin.

    The attitude of your posts are marginalizing a group based on skin color. You think even as they ARE being marginalized, by the true definition of the word, ....that they "can't" be marginalized because they have the wrong color of skin.

    What I'm seeing taking place is racial hatred .....and that is an evil and destructive attitude.
     
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    The OP content is just Clickbait Racism trying to PRETEND to be something other than what it is.
     
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    I have ZERO problem calling out RACIST content when it PRETENDS to be something else.
     
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    Why don't you explain what's "racist" about pointing out actual racism?

    Be specific.... Just posting lots of capital letters will not cut the mustard here
     
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    Arguing about racist content is a WASTE of TIME in my opinion.

    Just EXPOSE it and move on is way more EFFECTIVE.

    It teaches OTHERS how to SHUN clickbait racism when they see it because it does NOT deserve to have any oxygen.

    If you don't believe me just go ahead and list the names of everyone who espoused racist views and whose minds were changed by arguments online.

    Shunning is way more EFFECTIVE at EXPOSING racist clickbait for what it is.
     
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    So if anyone would like to seriously discuss the topic they can start by please explaining why anyone would need a safe space away from white people ?
     
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    CLASSIC Victim Blaming content duly noted.
     
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    NOTHING in the post content above supports the Clickbait racist content of the OP.

    The OBJECTIVE of the safe spaces is STIPULATED as being to AVOID the OPPRESSION of WHITE racism.

    There are SAFE SPACES for People of Faith and LBGTQ communities is the SAME place.

    Clearly the OP FAILED to read the ENTIRE article.
     
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    CLASSIC Clickbait racism content duly noted above.

    Once AGAIN the OP FAILED to read the ENTIRE article but just posted emotive clickbait HEADLINES instead.

    Here is some of what is said at the ONLY link provided.

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    As you can see from the ABOVE the LINK is about finding ways to DEAL with the INHERENT racism that exists THROUGHOUT our society.

    The link is about the ANTITHESIS of racism.
     
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    You then go on to site evidence why POC want safe spaces. Did you not read them or maybe you don't understand what they wrote?
     
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    I understand their stereotyping and mischaracterization of all white people as the racist broad brush that it is.
     
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    Yes of course because we are going to " fight racism " by creating spaces where white people are not allowed.
     
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    I would like to see you liberals that support this sort of thing keep that same energy if white people started creating safe spaces free of black people.

    But of course that would never happen because the standards change with the skin color.
     
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    I think if you want to seriously discuss this topic the best course of action would be to speak to POC who desire safe places. Talk to your friends or neighbors who want these safe places and ask them questions and discuss. The problem with asking here where the majority seems to be middle age to old white male posters is you probably won't get the detail discussion you desired. You will get a lot of assumptions from people that regurgitate what they hear on their tribal news sources. It would be similar to asking the question here about why Taylor Swift is the awesome. There are probably much more appropriate people to ask.
     

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