Same sex marriage

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by WAN, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So some of your fellow Americans are less equal than others?

    They don't deserve the same rights as you do just because they are minorities?

    In essence your problem has to do with the basic premise that we are all equal under the Law of the Land.

    You appear to disagree with that concept.

    Why should some Americans have fewer rights than you enjoy?
     
  2. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought that he thought I was a White supremacist but I am not.

    Asian all the way.

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    I am not "taking their right away". I said they could still have civil unions.
     
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    Good for you.
     
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    To be honest I don't think anyone cares if you're against it. I don't think anyone cares if you hate bacon or like nickelback. Live your life and let other people live theirs.
     
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    Denying them the same marriage contract is taking away their right to equal treatment under the law.
     
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    Cdnpoli Banned

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    Gay marriage has been around in most of Canada for 14 years. It's made people happier and nothing bad has occurred. There is no reason to be against this.
     
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    It is no one elses business who gets married and who doesn't and to whom. There is hardly any argument to support being against gay marriage. I think for the most part we are past this discussion as a country and society. What people do, as long as it doesn't effect others really should be ignored.

    However, now the new conversation is about (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bathrooms...the dumbest (*)(*)(*)(*)ing topic. Makes me face palm when I see people actually defend allowing people to use w/e bathroom they want...its something so exploitable. Genuinely dumb people.
     
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    It is one thing to comment on a public board, entirely another to take away people's rights.
     
  9. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think I have that ability. All I am doing is opining on an internet forum.
     
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    I don't understand why you wanted to strip them of the word marriage before that. It's like you didn't think their love was worth the term marriage and that straight people are superior so gay people get the inferior term in civil union.
     
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    Yet you would prohibit mixed-race marriages if you could.

    Well, how magnanimous. Why are you so interested in what your neighbors are up to?
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It does say in the bible marriage is one man and one woman. Our country was founded on those beliefs. Why should we change them now? If people want to be gay then so be it. I don't hate them. I can't support gay marriage being I am a christian and it is wrong.
     
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    It has nothing to do with what our neighbors are doing. It says in the bible it is one man and one woman. So it is wrong. Do you disagree with the bible? Our country was founded on those beliefs and we should not change them now. I don't hate gays and they can be or do whatever they want but I can't call myself a christian and support gay marriage.

    What are your thoughts on someone who wants a sex change so he can go into the ladies room and sexually assault young girls? If that is what your neighbor is doing would you not be interested? Where do we define the line of right and wrong? I think gay marriage crosses that line.
     
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    Straight people are not better than gay people. We are all equal under God because we are all God's children and we are not to judge gay people. It also says in the bible to love everyone including thy enemies. It does also say marriage is between one man and one woman so gay marriage is wrong.
     
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    What harm does same sex marriage cause? If the answer is none then why should any of us care?
     
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    What are the bad parts?
     
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    What makes it good?

    What makes it bad?
     
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    The bible is NOT the Law of the Land.

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    Why are you judging gay people as "wrong"?

    Where in the Law of the Land does it say that it is "wrong" to be gay?
     
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    Once your married it is all the same sex, night after night after night.
     
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    Or like the"prophet " MO who I understand like him some 9 year old "nookie".
     
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    I am not a defender of same gender "marriage" but you do have a point that some of the people who claim (ed) that they live by the "word of God" did indeed ( and still do) practice the one man multiple women "marriage". We could have had a POTUS whose Grand dad abandoned his own country to move to Mexico in order to practice that lifestyle. We also have a "religion" or beheaders who believe the same as Romney's granddad. Just like their Muslim buddies Fundie Mormons "marry" underaged girls.

    So it becomes difficult for sone of us to criticize 'same sexers ' if we do not criticize the immoral behavior of the "religion" of pedophilia - Fundie Mormonism.

    Yes it goes without saying that those Muslims who practice pedophile marriage are just as evil.
     
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    My thoughts: if it's not affecting your life or causing you harm in any way, then mind your own (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) business.
     
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    I have yet to see an objective argument against same-sex marriage. I'm not moved by appeals to tradition because tradition is not itself a justification for the existence of a tradition when, again, no objective case can be made for it. Most traditions don't require an objective case, but then, most traditions aren't about fencing off literal or metaphorical areas of society and telling others they don't belong there. When your traditions require someone else to lose, examination is warranted.

    The other argument is the "eww that's yucky" one. Not objective in the slightest. There are countless variations of this argument, although some folks don't mince words and will flat out tell you they think it's disgusting as they assume that's a solid enough basis to create judicial laws around.

    Nay, not only has no objective case against it ever been put forth, the realities of having legalized it in several places even prove wrong the more outrageous of the subjective arguments and predictions against it.

    So, in short, opponents need to remember this. Your traditions are not more important than equality in the law. They aren't. They never will be. Ever. No matter what the topic is.
    And secondly, legal arguments whereby you create unequal subsets of people within the law who don't have the same rights as others require objective arguments. For example, we limit the right of children to have driver's licenses for safety reasons that not only serve to protect those children from themselves, but more importantly, to protect others from those children being behind the wheel before there is a reasonable expectation that they can handle the responsibility of driving a car on public roads. But most importantly, even in limiting these rights, those limitations are not applied arbitrarily to only some children, but not others.

    However, I want to make a point of saying that there is a difference between not agreeing with same-sex marriage and actively trying to prevent it from happening. There are folks who don't morally agree with it but who also don't try to impede it. I respect those folks the most since they realize that having subjective objections is not a good enough basis for using the law to impose your own arbitrary beliefs.
     
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    Please provide a source for anything else

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    Marriage was invented by the state not the church

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    Tell me why they should marry or why its necessary

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    I approve of boats but I accept they are not ships.

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    The bible in fact says go ye forth and multiply. Fornication is having sex when you are married with someone else
     

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