Sanctions 'works', 99 % of Russians are for Putin.

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Better a such 'demonstration':

    [video=youtube;D4x_OmqGs40]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4x_OmqGs40[/video]

    as such:

    [video=youtube;dNAXNgGTTG8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNAXNgGTTG8[/video]
     
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    - It is in Hebrew? In the original, the phrase sounds so - "Jedem das Seine" (each his own). This was the motto on the gate "Buchenwald". Death camp where Jews were burned. But Kazakh Jew delighted with this slogan? Is not it? I wonder Kazakhstan Jew says myths about the "Holocaust"?
     
  3. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Twenty five nations will attend, and the rest are not being mentioned so Washington will not start threatening them. We will know when the time comes, or at least those of us who read sites other than the corporate media will know.

    I hate to see what's going to happen to the US when it's not in a position to threaten nations anymore...and the time will come and shortly. The dollar is dying, thanks to what Russia started, and China is finishing off.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stephen Cohen is the top American authority on Russia, and seems to have an insight into the soul and character of the Russian people that few if any Americans have. He is presenting here not opinions, nor paranoias, but an honest and factual assessment of the damage done by the 'juvenile delinquents' (for want of a better word) in Washington. It's a short video and he's a very interesting speaker so I suggest anyone who doesn't want to end up as radioactive dust, better watch it.

    [video=youtube;D4_CFiWA744]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4_CFiWA744[/video]
     
  5. Borat

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    Frankly no one cares if Zimbabwe, Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba will attend. That will only underscore the company Russia keeps. There is a saying in both English and Russian languages - "tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are". How appropriate that all all Russia's friends are 3rd world sh*tholes.

    The value of dollar is driven by foreign exchange markets where the dollar is at multi-year high. It's not based on your wishful thinking. Your economic ignorance matches your political one.
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MOD EDIT>>>RULE 2<<< The saying is true though, and a tribute to Vladimir Putin since he refuses to lower his integrity to gain the friendship of sociopaths...who as we know, have no sense of right or wrong. I think this saying would reflect it better though: People only like those who are on the same end of the moral spectrum.:oldman:
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are the Russians being forced to stand up in this video as well?

    [video=youtube;uDGPaJQAf1I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDGPaJQAf1I[/video]

    This march represents to me the Russian character and soul. A giant not marching in triumph to conquer other people, but marching slowly and forlornly in order to do what it has to do.
     
  8. Borat

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    Right.... Europe (Western and Eastern), the US, Canada, Australia.... they have no sense of right or wrong..... But the Chinese communist leader and the North Korean dictator do. It's you dear, who have completely lost the sense of right and wrong in your obsessive attempts to justify Russia's aggressions, invasions and land theft.
     
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    In a way yes. It's customary in Russia to stand up to this song. And it's an amazing song, one of my favorite and I have tears in my eyes when I hear it. And no one is denying that and the Soviet (Ukrainian, Russian, Belorussian, Georgian Kazakh etc) contribution to the defeat of fascism is enormous and their losses incalculable. This is not in dispute.

    But Russia had not been a force for good before that war (before the revolution either) and it did not become a force for good after it. It's always been an aggressor, invader, bully and tyrant and I don't quite see how the defeat of Nazi Germany gives Russia a never-expiring "get out of jail card" for all the wrongs that they've been doing in the world.
     
  10. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Putin wants to turn Russia back into a civilized society, after its seventy years of imposed atheism and all the persecutions that went along with it. He told his governors to read three books by top Russian philosopher/theologians. The funny thing is that they are known in the West, and were fully accepted, but now that they found out that Putin recommends them, they are accusing Putin's favorite one of nationalism, when he actually condemns nationalism...which makes one wonder, are they being deceitful, or are their brains in their a$$.:roll:
     
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    Are you saying the lies spitted out by the Obama, Kerry, and the medias in order to control and brainwash the people moral? Are you saying the support of Nazis who are committing genocide on the people of Donbas moral? Are you also saying that supporting jihadists in Syria who are massacring Christians, Alawites, Shias, and moderate Sunnis moral? Are you saying that supporting Saudi Arabia as it bombs Yemen moral? Are you saying supporting Israel as it kills Palestinians moral? Are you saying that destroying Libya the wealthiest nation in Africa, moral?

    Tell me what in your mind is moral? Is it to support gays when they want to parade down the street naked, so as not to hurt their feelings? Is this what you consider moral, that might makes right, and the heck with all the untermenchen?
     
  12. Jeannette

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    I think you're expecting too much of Russia, without taking into account its size and all the ethnicities and languages within it.
     
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    Russia's way is as risky and dangerous as the path of the all mankind. The challnge of the time has chosen Russia quite blindly. There are nations which have stronger economy and stronger military perspectives. There are people who have the burden of world peace at their shoulders, but for some reason it is again us...

    The personality of Putin should not be overestimated. If he was alone there would be nothing done. The thing is that russians are not what paid political mercenaries try to depict them. If we were drunkies and mobs we would never be picked as an opposition for evil. :)
     
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    If we talk about dirt and pig - you know better. Despite the fact that pork meat is forbidden among Jews. But you are a Jew special. Kazakhstan Jew. For example you quote the inscription on the gate, "Buchenwald". Are you a fan of the author of these quotes?
    I like your hysterics.
     
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    The example you put forward, and the mentality it represents exemplify the reasons that your country is destined for a slow demise. In much of the modern world such blatant negativity toward fellow humans is frowned upon and those that put it out there are avoided and considered very backward.
    This is seen on a larger scale by Russian national aggression and has led to becoming Pariah for the most part. In time forced isolation will cripple the country in a world that relies on cooperation to survive....the iron fist can only control the population for awhile, starvation and pain always win out in the long run.
     
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    It's overestimated by you Russians who are currently in the middle of yet another national cult of personality hysteria.

    You don't need to worry about it, besides yourselves no one sees Russia as opposition to evil, the world sees Russia as a totalitarian corrupt bully and aggressor. A hundred nations voted against your aggression in Crimea, that's hardly a resounding approval of your "opposition to evil".
     
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    <Mod Edit> Assad is a brutal tyrant and dictator and the Nazis are in Kremlin, in Russian parliament and more than half of world's neo-Nazis live in Russia, not in Ukraine, Russia is invading its neighbors and stealing their land <Mod Edit>. In Yemen terrorists sponsored by Iran are attacking the country and turning it into a terrorist safe heaven and while in many cases the opposition (in Libya, Syria, Yemen) is not much better, in the real world it's sometimes necessary to side with the lesser evil. Russia invariably sides with the most despicable regimes on the planet. No wonder North Korean dictator is coming to Moscow. Oh the company Russia keeps.
     
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    Are you writing about the United States? By the way, many politicians and economists think the same. You are not alone.
    You still continue to dream about leadership West? West has long become rotten. New World Order - east. Nobody cares to the west. You need to remove the rose-colored glasses.
     
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    No I don't. I see those regions that are predominately ethnically Russia as a National salvation effort.

    The Ukrainian crisis is funded by the CIA & to kid yourself differently is just political naivety or ignorance. Take your pick!
     
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    I pick the jealousy, political stupidity and ignorance of British ignoramuses who see a CIA conspiracy in every world event. Just because the UK does not matter any more and the US is the leader of the free world does not mean that any pro-western activity anywhere in the world is necessarily orchestrated by Washington. Frankly few things could be more absurd and naive than this nonsense.

    PS For the record Eastern Ukraine is predominantly ethnically Ukrainian with very large (up to 40%) Russian minority. South Ossetia and Abhazia are less Russian than London. In any case, where on earth did you get this idea that the existence of an ethnic minority (or even majority) in a region of a country warrants the break up of that country? Do you think China-town in New York should be allowed to merge with China? Duh.

    And you Scots did not have the guts to claim independence when given a chance... You of all peoples should talk lol
     
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    Borat do not be cunning, you know that in 20s of XX century Bolsheviks made the policy of mass Ukrainianization on this territory after the accession of these areas in Ukrainian republic they created. In fact, all these so-called Ukrainians are descendants of Russian peasants moved from the central provinces of Russia in the late XVIII and early XIX centuries. All of them speak Russian. People usually identify themselves with that ethnos in which language they speak in a daily life. You also know the majority of inhabitants in South Ossetia and Abkhazia had the Russian citizenship a long time before events of 08,08,08. So why are you lying?

    By the way I remember lunecat's posts written to Russian users a few years ago at this forum. They were arrogant posts written by mentor tone. Now I'm pleasantly surprised to read him. Even the persons who can not be suspected to be the friends of Russia understand, who is who in this situation. Obviously this man changes his opinion under the obvious facts. Only you will never change your opinion, because that blind hatred obscures your eyes.
     
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    I don't see how any thinking human being can still believe sanctions and external pressure can work against the Russians after the Siege of Leningrad.

    The Russians, for all their absurdity, don't break under pressure, they just dig in, tighten their belts, and fight harder.
     
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    <Mod Edit: Rule #9> Here's something from Pres. Reagan's former economic advisor, Dr. Craig Roberts:


    The Exceptional Country is above all the others and, therefore, doesn&#8217;t have to be concerned about how it treats them. Obviously, Americans and their vassals think America is exceptional as the millions of people murdered, maimed, and dislocated by Washington&#8217;s wars in eight countries in the 21st century has not resulted in condemnation of Washington. Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and the puppets in Canada, Australia, and Japan still suck up, holding tight to Washington.

    Instead, Russia and Iran, countries that, unlike the US, are not militarily aggressive, are portrayed in the White People&#8217;s Media as threats and are condemned.

    <Mod Edit: Rule #9>
     
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    Borat I believe seven nations will have troops marching in the parade. These are the ones I know of: Serbia, Mongolia, Kazahstan, and China. As for the nations attending, thirty had responded in March. It's a touch and go thing, because I know Washington is putting pressure, and even blackmailing some of the nations. For instance Hungary was going to attend as was the Czech Republic, but I'm not too sure if they will after pressure was exerted on them by the US.

    I read that the majority of the Poles are not willing to go along with this anti Russian rhetoric, especially considering that Ukraine is now honoring the very people that committed the worse atrocities on the Poles in WWII, but a law suit was brought up that would cost them billions...forcing them of course to change their mind. Mafia methods work I guess?

    Anyway, these are the nations I believe will attend so far:

    Brazil, India, China, South Africa, the Netherlands, Greece, Egypt, Israel, Belarus, Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbajian, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam, N. Korea, Armenia, North Korea, Egypt, Mongolia, Slovakia, Serbia, Argentina and Israel.




    - http://rbth.com/news/2015/03/17/ove...tendance_at_may_9_events_in_moscow_44552.html)
     
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    MOD EDIT - Rule 3Read and weep:

    the area that is now called the Donbass was largely under control of the Ukrainian Cossack Hetmanate and the Turkic Crimean Khanate until the mid-late 18th century, when the Russian Empire conquered the Hetmanate and annexed the Khanate.[6] It named the conquered territories "New Russia" (Russian: &#1053;&#1086;&#1074;&#1086;&#1088;&#1086;&#769;&#1089;&#1089;&#1080;&#1103;, Novorossiya).
    Donetsk, the most important city in the region today, was founded in 1869 by British businessman John Hughes on the site of the old Zaporozhian Cossack town of Oleksandrivka

    According to the Russian Imperial Census of 1897, ethnic Ukrainians comprised 52.4% of the population of region, whilst ethnic Russians comprised 28.7%
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbass#History

    Along with other territories inhabited by Ukrainians, the Donbass was incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in the aftermath of the 1917&#8211;22 Russian Civil War. Ukrainian-speaking cossacks in the region were subjected to decossackisation during 1919-1921.[13] Ukrainians in the Donbass were greatly affected by the 1932&#8211;33 Holodomor famine and the Russification policy of Joseph Stalin...According to one estimate, 81.3% of those who died during the famine in the Ukrainian SSR were ethnic Ukrainians, whilst only 4.5% were ethnic Russians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbass#Into_the_Soviet_period

    Giving bogus passports and citizenship to certain ethnic groups of Georgia does not entitle you to invade Georgia, interfere in their internal affairs, break up their country and steal their land. Stay within your borders, is it that hard?

    If Saudi Arabia gives citizenship to your Chechen population, will they be entitled to invade Russia and claim the independence of Chechnya? I don't think you'd be in favor.

    Then get the MOD EDIT - Rule 9 of Chechen-speaking Chechnya. They don't identify with Russia, yet you murdered hundreds of thousands of their innocent civilians to prevent their independence from Russian tyranny.
     

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