Sanders announces $1.5 trillion universal child care plan

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you can't figure that out for yourself, you are a lost cause. I wish you well in your laziness. Thank God there are millions in this country that think otherwise.
    BTW, how are the streets of SF this time of year?
     
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    So, cutting taxes is an excuse to cut spending. Got it.
     
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    Yes. Your comments on sex and procreation illustrate the fact you reject universally accepted foundations of the third tenet of cell theory.
     
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    Eh?

    No both can be done independent of the other..

    Heck i would not mind higher taxes and cutting spending if the idiots in congress could balance a budget something every household attempts to do.
     
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    We are having record revenue it's spending that is the problem. And the parent can teach the child to tie their shoe laces but the fact remains early education is a pipe dream, it shows no effect after the first years of school. The American dream is not both parents working it's parents raising their kids at least until they do attend 1st grade.


    Can We Be Hard-Headed About Preschool? A Look at Head Start

    .....So it was that on Friday, December 18, 2012 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released the Third Grade Follow-up to the Head Start Impact Study Final Report.[4] The Head Start Impact Study is one of the most ambitious, methodologically rigorous, and expensive federal program evaluations carried out in the last quarter century. It was planned during the Clinton administration,[5] implemented during the Bush administration, and reported during the Obama administration.

    The findings, in brief, are that there were effects favoring Head Start children on some outcome variables at the end of the Head Start year. However, these impacts did not persist. Both in the kindergarten and first grade follow-up data, released just short of three years ago[6], and the third grade follow-up data, released in December of 2012, there were no reliable differences in outcomes for children who won the lottery to attend Head Start vs. those who lost that lottery and served as the control group. In the words of the authors of the report, “by the end of 3rd grade there were very few impacts … in any of the four domains of cognitive, social-emotional, health and parenting practices. The few impacts that were found did not show a clear pattern of favorable or unfavorable impacts for children.”[7]

    If this conclusion by the authors isn’t clear enough, I’ll put it in less academic language:

    There is no measurable advantage to children in elementary school of having participated in Head Start. Further, children attending Head Start remain far behind academically once they are in elementary school. Head Start does not improve the school readiness of children from low-income families.
    https://www.brookings.edu/research/can-we-be-hard-headed-about-preschool-a-look-at-head-start/
     
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    wow, That was a shocking question you had to answer.

    My jobs have all been undesirable since my first job in the early 80's, Its why I still occasionally play lotto.

    I'd love to retire as a drunken playboy but unfortunately that whole food/shelter thing keeps screwing up my big plans.
     
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    "Generating $6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs."

    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    It all comes down to what kind of society/country do we want. Bernie Sanders is drawing some stark contrasts and his success or failure to get the presidency will answer a lot of questions. If Bernie's ideas all went forward (extremely unlikely) he will have launched the second American revolution. That is what makes Bernie interesting, he has laid all his cards on the table. Let's see if it's a busted straight or full house.
     
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    Of course it is. All the money has consolidated in the hands of a few — they are the only ones we can tax more without it decimating the economy. I just wish he had spending cuts in his proposals.

    At least it isn’t slash taxes and increase spending as we have seen with republicans.
     
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    Totally agree but what you said isn't the same thing.

    In your scenario, you are still responsible for your actions. You are responsible for contributing to the upkeep because you contribute to it's pollution. That's actually exactly my point. There's a problem when some use the pond and don't contribute to it's upkeep.

    Society does not benefit when people are not held responsible for their actions. Even if they receive some help from society, they still must take responsibility. The left is trying to move away from this in the interest of gaining votes. One of the most glaring examples of this is 'free college'. Why should someone's taxes go up to pay for other peoples college when they themselves never went to college? Why should someone with no kids have their taxes go up to pay for daycare for those who do have kids? Sorry, this is wrong and can not be defended. This isn't like healthcare where everybody could potentially need it.
     
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    Who is going to pay for it?
     
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    Yes and a perfectly good excuse at that.
     
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    More free stuff, yeah!

    Damn that’s sounds more communist than socialist.

    Bernie is so screwed.
     
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    Problem is that this will be paid by the rich. Why is that a problem? Because they will already be paying for universal healthcare, free college, student debt forgiveness, free kindergarden, the green new deal, expanding social security, and reparations. The wealthy don't have the money to pay for all this. At the same time, we have overpopulation problems, a climate crisis, and environmental issues due in part to rising population. If we make having children really cheap, people are just going to have a lot more kids. This will be a burden to taxpayers, our infrastructure, and our environment. And I have a baby right now.
     
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    So, which national parks should we shut down now?
     
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    We can start with government jobs (The biggest national day in the park!)
     
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    Those are things we all support. Bad comparison.

    What do you think would happen if Bernie did win and pass his plans for all of this free stuff and the million and billionaires start pushing their money to banks overseas (and I wouldn't blame them one bit)? Who do you think will be next in line to get nearly their entire paycheck taxed away from them? Us.
     
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    Calm down. Life will go on. Have you ever noticed how panic seems to drive the lefties?
    Whichever cuts are made to this over-bloated government it will be nothing compared to a socialist Medicare for all plan where millions in the insurance industry will be out of work.
     
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    Well, the problem is that you can cut the entire federal budget, of non-required spending, down to zero and it won't affect the deficit nor debt. The only real government spending that is required spending is Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare. Not even the army is required spending. That means entitlement spending is going to eat up the budget more and more.

    But, leave it up to Republicans to try and cut any and all budget programs down to zero anyway.
     
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    Yes like the Cuban revolution and the Russian revolution and the Venezuela revolution and let's not forget China.
     
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    So, other people who work, would be funding those who choose not to work. How long do you think that would last?
     
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    Correction! It will be a second Bolshevik Revolution......
     
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    Social Security: You only contribute if you will draw from it. I do not contribute and will not collect it.

    Roads, police, fire dept: We all use them, depend on them, or could potentially need them so we all contribute.

    Thanks for your thoughts though. These are not relevant comparison's in this thread.
     
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    Menshevik, what democrats have been since and before "Fabian Freeway: High Road to Socialism in the U.S.A."
     
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    A) There are seven tenets of cell theory
    B) How the hell did you reach that conclusion from any of my posts?
     

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