scott e.'s new birther thread...

well.. there is still lot's going on... it's not as if the issue is going away after three years... i t will be a big part of the campaign if obama makes it that far. aside from being corrupt, he's a horrible president and weak corrupt leader
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i wasn't expecting much from as two year senator from a corrupt state with no experience at anything. fake it only goes so far. he is a true rube. not your fault either. you guys are reduced to spitting back the same platitudes and conjecture, hope for change. i haven't seen too much improvement, as promised. obama even said the job was much harder than he thought, and there are no shovel ready jobs... guantanamo, patriot act, jobs, and on and on and on. he likes golf though, i don't what his handicap is... biden...

platitudesplural of plat·i·tude (Noun)1. A remark or statement, esp. one with a moral content, that has been used too often to be interesting or thoughtful.
2. The quality of being dull, ordinary, or trite

i'm not even sure he was able to stop the oceans from rising... that seems like pretty basic stuff..

 

Again speculation and innuendo.

It is not going away for Birthers....Obama is ignoring you, and the voters are concerned about real issues- economy, jobs- that kind of thing. I will admit that is speculation on my part, but so far I have been correct.

Speculation, opinion, speculation and opinion. Of course you had decided that long before he took office.
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Well it is clear that you had decided that he must be corrupt because he is from Illinois....like you.

When have you seen me saying anything about hope for change? Oh yes, never. I haven't even been defending Obama's presidency- unlike Birthers I know how to seperate the issue of eligiblity from competance.

For instance, I think that Bachmann is eligible but incompetant. I think that Orly is both ineligible and incompetant. Corsi is eligible but corrupt and incompetant. Different issues.

But I have never had to rely upon conjecture regarding Obama's eligibility- unlike Birthers, there is actual legal, verifiable evidence, of the kind that would be allowable in court showing that Barack Obama was born in the United States, and is therefore a natural born citizen.

 

Hey Wash, while we're talking about upcoming elections, you never answered my question:

 

We haven't seen any evidence from any candidate other than Barack Obama that they were born in the U.S.

Hmmm and yet, who is the only candidate Birthers deny was born in the U.S.?

Oh yeah...

 

perry is a fifth generation texan born in abilene in 1950, so no he's not eligible to be president.

 

even you can't predict the future amigo... the story continues, here we are talking about it. and millions are still asking questions, this is the biggest omama/obot problem.

i think we agree about trump though, i see him as an opportunist, not to be trusted. at first i like him, now i don't. i don't know arpaio well enogh to speculate or opine.

 

from wtpotus.wordpress

In 2008, Obama signed the Nomination Papers for Arizona stating and applying his signature to a document that he was a Natural Born Citizen. Obama having supposedly taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, knowingly signed the form thus perjuring himself. His own website stated he was a citizen under the 14th Amendment, an amendment that only classifies those people eligible for citizenship, it does nothing to change the definition of a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen needs no law to give them status. The Left has tried to blurr the meaning of natural born citizen to give and keep Obama eligible. Barack Hussein Obama I was a British subject from Kenya and was never a U.S. citizen, and that fact alone eliminates his purported son from being eligible to hold the position he now occupies illegally.

 

unfortunately for you birthers, the voters, the electoral college, the ENTIRE congress and the ENTIRE judicial system say he's constitutionally eligible.

reality will not chnage, no matter how hard you stomp your feet.

 

The left in this case I suppose meaning John McCain, Micheal Steele, every Republican in Congress, including Michelle Bachmann?

Seriously who wrote this pile of dreck?

Why do you consider John McCain to be a coward or an idiot?

 

I can't see the future, but I am more than willing to speculate based upon the evidence. There is no evidence that millions are asking questions. A typical Birther turn out in a major city like Atlanta is 12.

And the biggest Obama problem is the economy, followed by the war in Afghanistan, and completing the pull out from Iraq. Birthers arent' even on the radar screen.

And yes, that is speculation on my part. But speculation based upon evidence.

 

Wash- you have claimed that you didn't become a Birther until President Obama released his second birth certificate.

So tell me.....why not until then if you believed that he was not eligible because his father was not a citizen?

My speculation is that you have never believed the whole two citizen parent Birther nonsense but have embraced it now because it is convenient for your agenda.

 

you guys should hear yourselves...

In 2008, candidate Obama had some harsh words about President George W. Bush’s fiscal policy:

The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up the national debt from 5 trillion for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.

i'd say this is pretty typical "obamaspeak"

 

You have called him a pathological liar....is there a lie somewhere in there?

I notice you still haven't replied to your claim that you became a birther only after Obama released his second official birth certificate- and whether you think John McCain is a coward or an idiot.

I'd say that is pretty typical of a birther.

 

What is really clear is that Birthers are so blinded by their hatred of Obama, that they cannot see anything other than what they want to see.

The last Birther standing here is a perfect example.

He can't explain why he considers Barack Obama corrupt, other than to insinuate that he must be because he is from Chicago.

He can't explain why he now believes Barack Obama is not eligible because his daddy was from Kenya, but in March he didn't think that.

Matter of fact......he really won't- and can't explain anything that he claims- none of the speculation, innuendo or the Birther lies....

Really rather tedious.

 

The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
Abraham Lincoln

 

How do you know?

 

He saw his birth certificate....oh wait....nope....never cared about his birth certificate.

Oh wait- he saw the DNA testing of his parents and Rick....oh wait...no didn't see that either.

For Birthers they rely upon speculation and innuendo as proof that Obama is not eligible.

But Birthers rely upon assumption and faith for the eligiblity of all other candidates....well why should we pretend....Birthers don't really care about eligibility at all....

 

i witnessed fuddy sign his scorecard in the clubhouse. c'mon bull you can do better than that... you guys are really grasping at straws now...what else you got ??

 

it's hilarious watching you run away and hide every time someone backs you into a corner and demands that you prove one of your idiotic claims. You can't provide your evidence of course, because it's non existant


which is just one of the many reasons it sucks to be a birther

 

I thought you said Perry was born in Texas.

Fuddy, as far as I know, represents the only state that has verified the birth of any candidate- and of course Fuddy confirmed, on behalf of the State of Hawaii, that Barack Obama was born there.

No such confirmation from Texas.

And Birthers just assume Perry was born there.

Which is just another demonstration that Birthers do not, and have never actually cared about eligibility.

 

was he... is he willing to show his records ??... i don't know a thing about the guy.

you know there's a big scramble on to keep the original hidden from the public. obama has dozens of lawyers working on it, but i think there kind of backed into a corner on this one, very little legal wiggle room. not to mention the implications of mystery and doubt that are generated from simply not opening the vault to end this american nightmare, one way or ta other... why all the song and dance ?? what happened to transparency? it's as if whobama himself wants this to blow up again in the public arena, which it will. i'm just wondering why he would want this to become a big campaign issue, which it is. and of course the ss # in connecticut, and the forgery on line. it's a federal legal issue now, and a national security matter of the highest urgency. too bad, just before the election. not the way i would run a campaign.. i think hillary is sending signals. she's been talking about vattel and law of nations on the state department web site. a harbinger ?

 

Now you're lying again. You claimed to know he's a fifth-generation American born in Abilene, TX in 1950.

So, do you know that, or not? And if so, how do you know that?

 

wikepedia. hey why do you guys think obama doesn't just end it. any theories. and "cause he doesn't have to has alreay been" paraded out...
nice try though with the leading the witness in family court bull... LOL

 

i'm having a good time too rahl, do you have any evidence, can you as an anti-birther really make that call ? wouldn't that constitute (no pun intended) speculation ?? looks as if whobama's the one in the corner now. but i have to say, you are the most two dimensional of all of the obot pit bulls, but i mean that in a nice way...
sadly even his own team is turning on him... you guys get the gold stars for loyalty... even without frankie wongbot the technical "expert" sent from the foghat clampett hillbillies.... you know... to be your pack leader... i guess you can tell, i'm watching, "ceaser, the pitbotbull dog whisperer", it's on the animal channel...

 

Well there is quite abit information about Rick Perry available. Why isn't Perry willing to show his records? I don't know...but if you don't know a thing about Perry, it is your fault.

I haven't seen any scramble by Perry to keep any original and why would Obama have his lawyers working to keep Perry's 'original' hidden?

Like I said, I don't know why Perry is concealing his records, but I do know that Birthers don't seem to care about Perry concealing his records, or any of the other candidates who are 'concealing' their records.