Serious question to those who use "truther" as a slur...

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  1. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

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    I just call them something I can't say out loud here because it's against the forum rules and I already have to many infractions.

    By the way, you keep posting example after example of "experts" saying various things that would support your conspiracy beliefs, but no matter how many you copy and paste on here, in the end it doesn't matter. Because for every one "expert" you can google on YouTube and post here, there are 50 actual experts who say "No. You're a dumbass. There was no conspiracy. The gobment didn't do it. A bunch of pissed off Muslims did." But by all means. Keep copy and pasting way. Your time not mine.
     
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    50 to 1? And you can show that or you're just saying for the sake of saying? A couple of things about that though whatever the real ratio is.

    1. It shows that 9/11 is highly controversial, it's far from a settled issue.
    2. Way back in the day, I would guess that 99% of all experts thought the earth was flat and that the Universe revolved around it. But there were one or two who had it right and proved the 99% wrong.
     
  3. SamSkwamch

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    Yet another truther, jihadist, crackpot:

    “I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ….

    Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

    We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
    --U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career, Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer
     
  4. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

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    Let me ask you an honest question. Even if I did provide you actual evidence or whatever, would you accept it? Answer truthfully.

    1. There are still people who thing the holocaust was fake and is highly controversial, as we just discussed in another thread. That it is a controversial topic is irrelevant to wether or not the conspiracy is true. Literally any topic on earth can and usually is controversial. You can't put 5 people in the same room without each and everyone of them believing something different then the others in some way.

    2. There are STILL people on this earth that actually think the earth is flat. Some on this very forum in fact. But you are right. From time to time the majority are the ones who are wrong and it is but the small few are proven right. Unfortunately for you more often then not it is the majority who are right, and one or two fools who are wrong. 9/11 is one of those times. I'm sorry to have to tell you.
     
  5. Bob0627

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    You didn't and your manufactured claim is irrelevant anyway. I could care less if it was 50 to 1 or 100,000 to 1, the ratio doesn't change any of the facts about 9/11.

    I'm sorry for you that you have to tell me that too. Unfortunately, the official 9/11 propaganda is just that. You choose to believe it's all true and that's ok with me. You don't need to invent "50 to 1" lies to comfort yourself into believing the US government fed fantasy is all true. If the official story were true, it would stand on its own merit and wouldn't need you to defend it with made up and irrelevant nonsense or at all. IMO the fact that you spend so much time and energy defending it and even inventing claims tells me you really don't feel very secure with it.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, that is exactly what he is.

    i bet he has a very interesting history with mental institutions and psychoactive drugs
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Ron, that must be it, everyone who believes that is mentally defective. Only those who believe the US government's official 9/11 fairy tale are intelligent and certainly not mentally defective. The government would never lie about 9/11, you can trust them on that.
     
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    Here is the WHOLE quote as you cut it off:

    “I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ….

    Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

    We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
    --U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career, Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer

    And do you feel that way about everyone quoted on this thread?

    Guess we should continue:

    “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.
    --A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials, Raymond McGovern
     
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    extreme paranoia and cognitive dissonance are signs of a healthy mind?
     
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    It's difficult to blame someone for being paranoid about his/her government once they learn the truth about what it actually is. As to "cognitive dissonance", you should really learn what the term means before you apply it incorrectly.
     
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    You mean you? I'm confused. You can't be talking about all these knowledgeable insiders?

    What about:

    “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war... and it was probably an inside job."
    --20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer, David Steele
     
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    what evidence does he have that it was an inside job?
     
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    Looks like you are missing the point again. The real purpose here is to compare what highly credible people have said, verses what we here from the nameless, faceless little handful here on the forum.

    Look, another one for ya:

    “The evidence points at [9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job.]"
    --A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana, Robert Baer
     
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    if he's not an engineer or an architect, he's not credible on these issues.
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    As a decorated 20-year CIA veteran, I would say he is far more credible than you.

    Look, another:

    “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup.”
    --The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004, Melvin Goodman
     
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    i bet he has some interesting things to say about Holocaust deniers.
     
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    A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed “does not match the available facts” and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html#Griscom
     
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    so he's not an engineer or architect?

    got it.
     
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    And then we ahve:

    “I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken.“
    --A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement, Dr. Lynn Margulis
     
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    most of these so-called credentials are probably lies.

    notice how there are no links provided to prove their credentials.

    I could claim to be a Masters of Civil Engineering from MIT, and these Truthers would believe it.
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Awards and recognitions

    Elected Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1975.[19]
    Guggenheim Fellowship in 1978.[21]
    Elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1983.
    Guest Hagey Lecturer, University of Waterloo, 1985[49]
    Miescher-Ishida Prize in 1986.[21]
    1989, conferred the Commandeur de l’Ordre des Palmes Académiques de France.[19]
    Has her papers permanently archived in the Library of Congress, Washington, DC.
    1992, recipient of Chancellor's Medal for Distinguished Faculty of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.[20]
    1995, elected Fellow of the World Academy of Art and Science.[50][51]
    1997, elected to the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences.[2][50]
    1998, recipient of the Distinguished Service Award of the American Institute of Biological Sciences.[20]
    1998, elected Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.[52]
    1999, recipient of the William Procter Prize for Scientific Achievement.
    1999, recipient of the National Medal of Science, awarded by President William J. Clinton.
    2002–05, Alexander von Humboldt Prize.
    2005, elected President of Sigma Xi, The Scientific Research Society.[50]
    Profiled in Visionaries: The 20th Century's 100 Most Important Inspirational Leaders, published in 2007.
    Founded Sciencewriters Books in 2006 with her son Dorion.[53]
    Was one of thirteen recipients in 2008 of the Darwin-Wallace Medal, heretofore bestowed every 50 years, by the Linnean Society of London.
    2009, speaker at the Biological Evolution Facts and Theories Conference, held at the Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome aimed at promoting dialogue between evolutionary biology and Christianity.
    2010, inductee into the Leonardo da Vinci Society of Thinking[54] at the University of Advancing Technology in Tempe, Arizona.
    2010, NASA Public Service Award for Astrobiology.[21]
    2012, Lynn Margulis Symposium: Celebrating a Life in Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, March 23–25, 2012
    Honorary doctorate from 15 universities.[50]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Margulis
     
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    baseless propaganda.
     
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    LOL! No way! We have read your posts.
     
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    my boss is a Masters in Civil Engineering from Cooper Union, one of the best engineering schools on Earth. He's also a Licensed PE. he is sitting 30 feet away from me. shall I go ask him his thoughts about the 9-11 collapses?
     
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    LOL! Show him the plethora of quotes from this thread first and those who made them.

    Add this one:

    “The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Centers on 9/11].”
    --Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering, Dwain A. Deets
     

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