Shocking study reveals 72 per cent of French youngster want to leave France

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

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    Better career opportunities, a stable political situation, or even a better climate… A lot of reasons are behind France’s youth desire to leave their country.
    Of France’s 18-24-year-olds, 72 per cent are contemplating leaving France, reveals a Yougov study.
    Around 2.5 million French were expatriates in 2017, says the Foreign Ministry. This number doubled since 2000, when it was around 1 million.
    But now, this number is about to grow even more as now France’s youth majority want to leave France. This will to leave is motivated primarily by finding better “career opportunities” (40 per cent) and seeking “new adventures” (46 per cent).
    There are other reasons besides better career opportunies or new adventures, like “the price of a plane ticket”, a “stable political situation” in the country they would arrive in and a “nice climate” too.
    If these criterias are filled, 23 per cent of French people are willing to leave France for good. This study can be related to what we reported yesterday, on the “French flight” to Hungary.

    https://start.lesechos.fr/travaille...isagent-de-vivre-a-l-etranger-13140.php#CS2-8
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/s...ent-of-french-youngster-want-to-leave-france/

    Only 72% ?
    France has become a $hithole.
     
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    Number one reason why people want to leave France......its full of French people. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
     
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    We're becoming a shithole, we're not a shithole yes. It's still better that a lot of other countries. A lot of people leave but come back too.

    I'm part of those 72 %, I would have liked to work one season in a foreign country if my health would have allowed it, just for the experience. I'm not part of the 23 % who want to leave definitivly however.

    There is not a lot of future in France, anyway, old France is dead and the country lost is identity. What's the interest to live in a country who have mostly to offer increasing violence, terrorist attacks and african riots ?
     
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    I’d always be wary of media reports about “studies” that they fail to reference in any way, by name or link. I couldn’t find anything about this, on the YouGov site or anywhere else. I did find various reference about people from the UK emigrating to France though ;) .

    What is clear that exactly 0% of the people polled in France have actually left and it isn’t at all clear whether the proportion of people who say they’d be interested in moving aboard (short or long term) is any different in France than anywhere else. Anecdotally, I know lots of people who will talk about the idea of travelling somewhere else to work or live without making any effort to follow through with the dream and I’ve no doubt those people exist everywhere.

    Big numbers make “good” headlines regardless of what they actually mean (if anything at all).
     
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    I live among the french youth, and it's true that a lot of people want to leave. But there is many different reasons for that, some just want to live a few month or years like me just for the experience and for some other, it's just because thi scountry doesn't offer a lot of hope. Anyway, less and less people recognize this country and it is becoming foreign to the indigeneous. Some descendants of african migrants want to leave too in hope of better opportunities. In a way it's sad, because it's often the smartest one, the dumb one stay.
     
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    From what you see ... What are the thoughts of the French in your region regarding immigration policies and immigrants?
     
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    It depend a lot of the migrants. I never heard someone being angry against the vast chinese migration. Most of people don't care that much of colour of skin, but start to be really tired of the "racailles". The standart view of french people on immigration were the integration model. Once you settle in France, you have to adopt the french culture even if you can keep some elements of your origin culture. We tend to see extremly poorly people who want to live on their own side. On that point, british people and us are opposed.
    I know a bunch of people who welcome refugees, but more and more people, probably most are tired of the mass immigration.
     
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    The voiceofeurope has a pretty bad rep. It is probably operated by Russian trolls.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/voice-of-europe/
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    Overall, this site is Questionable due to extreme right wing bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and poor sourcing.
     
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    “Fact checking” sites mean almost nothing anymore and calling something a “Russian bot” simply because you don’t like it is as NPC as you can get.

    I am sure there are a lot of places where people are sick of it, likewise places where they are not. The mere fact that a Frenchman is here agreeing with part is at least somewhat telling.

    But attacking a source simply won’t work anymore, the NPC meme took care of that
     
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    I would like to see Marine Le Pen elected.
     
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    Feel free to believe what "voiceofeurope" says. I prefer to check my sources, but that's just me.
     
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    Marine Le Pen isn't really a very smart woman. She was a disaster during her debate with macron. She tried twice to get elected, she failed twice to be elected. The fact she had a second chance to get elected was already extremly generous. She and her father are professionnal failure. There is no time to people who are pleased to loose.
    I have the same conception of elections and of justice. One chance is enough, two is generosity, three is a mistake.
    If she could disappear forever of french political life, I would be more than pleased.
     
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    Well considering that they plan on imprisoning her for several years on the account of hate speech you'll probably get your wish.

    They even wanted to force her to go see a psychiatrist for mental deficiencies as if not being politically correct is a sort of mental illness.
     
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    No, I wish her to be retired. If they put her in prison, she could become a symbol of how oppresive became the liberals, it could be a tool for the cause of defending our country. But no, I don't wish her that. I just wish her to make something else of her life than politics. I don't know, she can create a company, or do something else. But she made her time.
    About the psychiatrist, as far as I know, it's just the rule and it wasn't specific to her.
     
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    Honestly I hope they turn her into a political martyr, her national front is probably France's best hope of indigenous French not dying out at this point.
     
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    I've driven to France and around France and I'm not surprised because they have a lefty government.
     
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    This is what happens when the socialists/communists create artificial barriers to both the labor market and the economy as a whole. While labor enjoys a lot of perks, it acts as a deterrent to add more labor to companies, it's simply too expensive to do so. More, when you limit by part of the economy who you allow to compete, it stifles actual competitive growth. It's been a terrible decade or so for the French. They are reeling with Muslim terrorism, they cannot control their national borders, and it is likely not going to stop for them for a long time. In the US, when the inner cities became sesspools of social engineering, it was called white flight. Looks very similar...
     
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    Macron is the worst inept leader ever elected to lead France, sad.
     
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    A majority of us whites left urban cities in the United States in the early nineties only to not look back again. I imagine the situation is similar in the French rural country side or small town precincts.
     
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    It's a little bit too late for that. We have to bring back discipline, strictness in the laws of France. But there is a lot of non-indigenous french people you have to deal with anyway. There is no way back anymore. There could have been in the 70's or 80's, but we woke up too late.

    France is basically broken, divided today. We have a lot of work to do, but we have to work with the non indigenous french anwyay.

    You can build a lot of things if you base yourself on strictness and discipline. If Roman managed to do so much things, it's because they had an extremly strict discipline. If german managed to be so efficient in WW2, it's because they were deeply disciplined and ordered, even if they use those qualities to cause their fall. If Japan is a so efficient society, it's because they're disciplined.
    You can build a lot of things if you base yourself on being pitiless with the wicked and rewarding with the deserving elements.

    Mass migration is a terrible difficulty. But difficulties can be blessing too. To overcome a difficulty, you have to become better, smarter and stronger. Every people on this earth will be opposed to this : become better or perish. For french people, this trial is now.

    There is a lot of work to do. First, we need to renew or conservative thinkers. Nowodays the left had a lot of thinkers who mostly lived between the 60's and the 80's. I'm not remembering their names, but they had those. A lot of leftists base themselves on their theories even if they never red a book. Some people produce ideas and then those ideas spread in societies slowly. I'm not sure that the right wing have as much thinker. To prosper, we need a strong intellectual base. I think it's being build those last times.

    Either we are wicked weaklings and we disappear, either we just become better.

    We have a lot of work to build back a french people. It's not impossible, it will be hard because we have to repair decades of leftist damages, but it's possible as long we are brave enough.

    He is extremly inept, but he is the worthy inheritor of Hollande and Sarkozy. He is nothing new, just a new skin for Sarkozy-Holande. A new avatar for a system who lived for a long time now.
     
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    I am of the belief of fighting to the last man, woman, and child. Never surrender or give up. If we die fighting making our last stand, so be it.

    If there is a lack of discipline then such needs to be reinstalled.
     
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    This is a problem when a country votes for a lefty government. Lefty governments should be banned, they're destroying the West.
     
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    There is only loosers in war. The french revolution was a genocide of the french people on himself, Napoleon and Hitler were two total idiot who wasted the precious life of millions of their people just because of their arrogance.
    Who is broken and killed during the war ? The bravest, the most courageous. So I don't know says to let people invade you, but every unusefull war have to be avoided.

    Everything as an end. Rome disappeared, but the greatness of roman culture never disappeared and it was on what we based ourselve for the renaissance.

    Europe, true europe for me is already dead. Maybe because I interested myself a lot in art. Classical painting tradition, classical music tradition, they're still kept, but they're not alive anymore.

    We maybe share the same language, but not the same arts.

    I tend to consider that europe died around 1914 or 1945. It's more 1945, our culture became dependant of american culture at this time.

    To make our culture back alive, I doubt we need soldiers. We need bright thinkers, people who know our musical and pictural traditions and master them. We need spirituality too, philosophers. Our era is devasted by drug, hedonism, pornography, cult of easy money and fame.

    Dead people are terrible thinkers.

    I think that european civilization disappeared because we lacked of respect toward life. Toward everylife, our own and the one of other people. Our elite after the revolution never looked to much at the death toll. WW1 was terrible, the european people commited a genocide on themselves. A genocide by war, but in the end, we destroyed our youth. Getting your youngsters killed is destroying your futre. WW2 was a disaster too, by the way.

    That madness left only emptiness. An emptines filled by leftism, multiculturalism and nihilism.

    I rather appreciate the USA, but I don't think we belong to the same civilization. And when the american culture replaced the void there were in Europe in the 1945, our civilization died.

    But there can be a renaissance.
     
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    Good riddance. Let them leave. Adopting the euro was the big mistake for France. It favors Germany. Several years ago there was a series of articles in "Foreign Affairs" that analyzed the history of the euro with respect to France and Germany. Find them and read them.
     
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    Macron is not a "lefty." He is a centrist just like Hollande was. Hollande never stood up for leftist principles and never stood up to Merkel. The result was that France elected two centrist in a row. France needs a leftist who will stand up to Germany. But also a leftist who will realize that at this time an increasing population cannot be supported. If the young want to leave, they should go to Germany or Hungary or wherever.
     

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