Shooting at Canadian Parliament.

The vast majority of people who come to Canada are not terrorists. The fact that many end up being but its illogical to tar all Muslim Canadians as terrorists. Many Muslim Canadians fled their countries as refugees or to get away from terrorism.

Canada does have like European nations a lot of soul searching to do in the years to come as many do take in do not want to assimilate to Western values and that is going to cause social conflict.

Is their a co-relation between terrorists and Muslim fundamentalist beliefs, probably.

However I am not interested insulting or hating all Muslims because some of them hijack their religion.


This is no time to engage in a witch hunt against innocent Muslim Canadians. That's exactly what terrorists want us to do so it alienates moderate Muslims and causes them to turn to extremism for solace.

As for your smeer of Indo Canadians, do keep in mind some are Muslim but most are Hindu and Siekh and most of them are not terrorists-well unless they insist on driving.

Some of us loath terrorists. The fact they use Islam as their excuse for terrorism does not make us loath Muslims-just them. The fact they embrace terrorism or twist their religion to justify terrorism makes us loath them. Their use of Islam is important to understand what and why they do what they do but its not an excuse to hate Muslims. If anything it makes it more urgent to reach out to moderate Muslims and say we support you rejecting such extremist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s.

 

Why poor sleepy Ottawa, capital of inoffensive quintessentially nice old Canada? Why the murder of two soldiers in a few days? Why the parliament building?

It's all about getting attention.

Attention of this kind will inevitably mean that Canada will have to change the way it does life.

Until now public places like Parliament Hill had remained just that - places where the public were safe, that were open and peaceful.

http://news.sky.com/story/1358346/why-attack-canada-its-about-getting-attention

 

Initial reports of a shooting "near the mall" the war memorial is near the mall...so multiple reports from multiple witnesses could be describing the same incident. ..

 

...yeah how true, I fear driving in the parking lot at my local Superstore...

 

You do realize this is happening in Canada right?

 

There are a number of dangerous ideologies at work here.

I have spoken previously at length about the dangers of religious doctrine that teaches children and adults that if they "question" or do not follow the interpretation of some human about a purported "holy book" they will be punished in the afterlife for an eternity.

Once this idea is implanted in the mind of the adherent justification of killing in the name of God is only a few steps away.

Another dangerous ideology at work is Ethnocentrism - judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one's own culture.

Little good has been produced by military meddling in the affairs of the middle east and other countries to the degree that we have.

The US has committed or supported the commission of atrocities far too many times over the past 3 or 4 decades in the name of "promoting western values" - Democracy, Freedom, Justice and so on. The stated platitude was never the reason we were committing these atrocities but did serve as justification to the raging masses.

The raging masses in our country and others have become far to accepting of killing innocents by our side in the name of some ideology while at the same time labeling others those who take up arms for a cause with demonizing terms. "Terrorists, Guerrilla's".

In religious extremism the enemy (anyone who questions, contradicts, or does not adhere to religious doctrine) is similarly demonized. Religious dogma is Good , those against are Evil. The leader paints this black vs white, good vs evil, God vs Satan paradigm.

This is then transformed one step into "the leaders interpretation of some holy book" is good and anything else is evil. The fear factor is then invoked and ramped up .. Stories of various punishments in the afterlife for the evil people who question cult doctrine.

The fear is then moved from the afterlife to right now. "There is spiritual warfare going on, Satan is around every corner and will try and trick you"

From here it is a short step to " Those that are against us are in league with Satan/Evil" and from here killing in the name of God or (combating evil) is justified.

Whether the ideology is religious or some other the steps are similar.

Our system is Good, Communism is evil. Demonize the enemy, ramp up the fear, and killing is justified.

 

Odd you mention those 2 countries instead of Australia and New Zealand. Are you a racist bigot because India and Pakistan are not Muslim countries but their skin colour is brown.

 

are you?

 

I wasn't arguing.

If that's what you're looking for... look elsewhere.

 

But we know nothing about the shooter, everyone is assuming it's religious terror but it could be some nut pissed off at high taxes...

 

No I'm not and I asked you a question. Why did you mention India and Pakistan. I noticed you evaded me. I will take that as a yes.

 

project, if u like

 

Here are today's details: one soldier and one suspect are shot dead. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ect-in-attack-and-soldier-are-dead/ar-BBaBLKK

 

Indeed you did make an argument. A fallacious one but an argument no less.

An argument consists of two things 1) a claim, 2) rational which supports or shows that claim to be true.

Your claim was " It is impossible for there to have been a shooting at the Canadian parliament"

your support "because Canadians brag about the absence of Guns all the time"

Your mission - should you choose to accept it- is to find the fallacy in your argument.

 

suspect was killed right outside the room where the Canadian PM was speaking.

they could have had an assassination.

thank God there were armed guards inside.

 

For more coverage and consideration of the significance of shooting up Parliament this Oct. 22

Link here ! http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=378460&page=3&p=1064382496#post1064382496


Moi
Oct. 22 = Louis Riel Day
Hanged by the proper authorities in Ottawa

r > g

No

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A Canadian minute in a minute in a half !
[video=youtube;Gqh3l4BUpL8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqh3l4BUpL8[/video]

 

That one has now been dismissed. No shooting at any mall.

 

Yah true. We have to wait to see the details. Its all unknown at this point. You remember a while back a madman took over the provincial parliament building in Quebec City? He was a soldier and he had a melt down and started shooting into the national assembly with a machine gun in his uniform. Luckily he did not shoot someone. The Sargeant At Arms and there is a film on it, cooly stuck his head in and asked him how he was doing and cool as cucumber talked him down.

Now we have sadly a lot of soldiers with ptsd who feel betrayed. Let's hope it was not a former soldier gone melt down.

I must admit I myself have jumped to the conclusion it may be terrorist related given the shooting of a soldier at a war memorial. You are right we have to wait to see.

At this time no clear indication whether a second believed gun man is real let alone still loose.

I can tell you this though W. I think the anti Iraq war stance of Justin Trudeau may get hurt on this one. I don't see the majority of Canadians being frightened by this into demanding we not send our jets into the fray against ISIL.

The closest we have had to this is the FLQ kidnappings. It will cause a major collective psyche shift in Canadian politics the way 9-11 did. When terrorism or such political violence is in your own back yard, its a lot harder to criticize the government shooting the sob's dead than say Israeli soldiers thousands of miles away.

It could have been a disaster. The Sargeant At Arms shot the guy dead before he could have shot at the politicians all grouped in two chambers in his path. Could have been a blood bath without the intervention. The film provides the sound of the shots echoing in the hall and I believe a ricocheted bullet hit one security agent.

Reports said people saw a guy fleeing on a grey motorcycle. Others reported police going door to door. It would not have been to hard to escape into the streets and run and then grab a taxi.

We will have to wait and see how long this shut down goes on. I have a feeling if there was a second or third party they are gone and what we see now is just post crisis security protocol to secure the areas where the gunmen could have hid.

They of course move out like a ripple effect from the epicentre expanding the circle of their quarrantine as they check the surrounding vicinity. I think at this point, the picture of the gunman killed will help a lot. For all we know they even know the names of the dead man and any others by now. Whether they can get out of the country is another story. We shall see in days to come.

Know what else-you can expect the dumb conspiracy theories to start. Its a false flag operation by the illuminati.

 

Our "Rights and Freedom"?

They're going to be cut off because of this. Every act like this pushes us towards totalitarism.

 

From a general perspective ...

Is Canada used to deal with terrorism and attacks to institutional sites?
I ask this since we in Italy, we have a long experience with Communist and Fascist terrorism and our authorities are quite ready to face similar threats.

Is there a possibility that there are organized terrorist cells in Canada?

In a few words: is this just a beginning of something wider and worse?

 

maybe Canada's security needs to modernize a little.

why should anyone be able to just walk inside the Parliament building?

sounds pretty stupid

 

Pf! We North-Americans see war a bit like the Olympic games... we send a "delegation", then watch the show on TV... It's a flag affair.

You old-worldlers have seen much more first hand than us what war looks like. When it's in town. When civilians die.

Harper, the "Canadian hawk", thought than declaring war would give him further brownie points towards being nominated by his zionists friend as "man of the year" or such likewise schnitz we give horses because they have a large behind. Well, having some bomb like this blowing out of the blue is indeed being at war. Happily enough, only militaries were killed - that what is supposed to die in a war, these militaries, right? So yeah it's war.

We would have been better with Pearson's doctrine and instead spend the same cash aiding the victims of the war, if we're such sissies.

 

Well, it appears criminals and terrorists can.

 

This is exactly why I don't come to this site anymore.

This thread is a perfect example.

(*)(*)(*)(*) most of you

 

May be, you're in troubles ...

In any case trust more British authorities [or European ones in general] to get advises than US authorities [to be honest, they haven't got a great experience about urban terror cells in actions ... while at London ...].

I do hope and I feel confident it's an isolated action.