Should our intake of migrants change, and if yes to what extent?

Recent discussions on this forum made another thread inevitable, should our migrant intake change?
And I am not talking the sustainability question only, but the more important one of living harmoniously together.
So bring in cultural differences, religious freedom and so on.....
What would you like to see changed or in which direction should we be heading to?
As it stands, I see our tolerance diminishing by the minute.
Cats

 

Youre a joke.
You condemn me for my criticism of islam, and then you immediately start a thread which
implies that we should reduce our immigration intake.
You have to decide which side of the fence youre on...

 

See Billy,
I never really get you, you are an extreme Islam hater, despite the fact that you don't know a single Muslim personally.
I started this thread in the hope that we can overcome our prejudice of people we don't know, religions we don't know, other cultures we don't know, and you are just making my point.
I started this thread because I care about the welfare of our country, and to be honest, of this planet.
I didn't want to discuss Islam or all the bad about it (or any other religion) in a thread, which focused on the action of a nationalist/nazi killing 50 of them in Christchurch.
If you want to see things changed in our country, please tell us about it....
And I said *change*, not *reduce* our intake of migrants.
Reg. Cats

 

Well it has changed, from 190 000 to 160 000, the government have been talking about it for some time.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...and-blocked-migrants-from-major-cities-2019-3

Yes it should be reduced... probably even more (government is being cautious not to rock the boat in a already sinking economy) for the following reasons;

1. For all the talk about "our culture will be lost" etc etc the one thing we have actually lost is our "Lucky Country". For many Australians high numbers of immigration have made them a lot more unlucky.

Wages have stagnated due to continuous supply in workforce, our country have grown well, extremely well in the last 20 but especially the last 10 years however much of this growth ended up in the property and share portfolios of the wealthy. Inequality is worse than ever.



Australia at risk of US-style inequality and dead end jobs, warns ACTU
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-05/actu-warning-living-standards-inequality/10871178

Therefore the biggest losers are those without assets, renting and the Australians who purchased a property 4-5 years ago now having to refinance or sell in the current market.

Interest-only loans worth $230 billion 'trap' 650,000, warns Morgan Stanley
https://www.afr.com/real-estate/int...p-650000-warns-morgan-stanley-20190215-h1bbcy

Falling living standards



Politicians were staring at their property and share portfolio's so hard they completely missed what was happening right in front of them. And if anyone dared blame immigration they were swiftly yelled down and labelled by the ignorant tyrannical left.

RIP The Lucky Country

 

Hi sw,
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
"For many Australians high numbers of immigration have made them a lot more unlucky."
The same might have thought our indigenous people 150 or 200 years back.
You know,
thinking about our lucky country, it is our own fault. And I don't blame it on immigrants. Even as we speak, in 2019, iron ore and coal is all we are building our wealth (and luck) on. We have never made the transition away from pure export to say producing things.
We could sustain more people, and a happier lifestyle, but as long we sell coal (despite Paris and Kyoto) and iron ore, we are dependent on the development of others (China for example). That I believe is not good....
We desperately need good leaders, leaders with a vision. Our country was doomed starting under J.Howard.
Cats

 

Yes indeed, it has been justified by progress but the reality is that if you are not sharing in that "progress" or "wealth" then you won't see it as justification.

Western civilisation is built on aggression and greed, its foundation steeped in the blood and sweat of exploitation. It has evolved into a sophisticated machine that support and sustain millions of lives. If you even try to turn back this clock you will end up with millions of jobs lost, hunger, disease, famine civil unrest.

Those "unlucky people" not sharing in the new wealth of 2 decades of high GDP growth, also future generations unable to buy a home, will similarly find it difficult to see the justification in high immigration rates.

No of course not, you can't invite people in then blame them for being inside

I must however say that our current government is working to curb corruption... but still not quite doing enough.

Funding for new anti-corruption body well below what experts say is needed
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...on-body-well-below-what-experts-say-is-needed

 

I have never associated our country with lots of corruption, but with bad leadership.
Reg.

 

Oh my god you couldn't mean that statement.

Our current government fought tooth and nail against the banking enquiry ,they don't want an enquiry into corruption in politics ,they don't want an enquiry into anything, they have their fingers in so many pies. The Nationals top the list.

 

Yes oh my god I do... for two reasons

First is the Foreign Donations Bill for transparency ito Political donations
second is the new integrity commission however funding has fallen well short.

This is a hell of a lot more than what other countries are doing, again if you look only at Australia you will wonder what the fuss is about. But cast your eye at all our newly found Democracies around the world and you will see the worst corruption imaginable. Far worse than Australia and yet Australia is the country that implement Foreign Donation legislation and anti corruption commissions, protecting and strengthening our Democracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...on-body-well-below-what-experts-say-is-needed
https://theconversation.com/the-for...w-what-will-it-do-and-why-is-it-needed-107095

 

LRL,
compared to other countries I don't think we have a lot of corruption.
Of course *the right* will look after one another, business and wealth are normally going hand in hand, the greedy thing, which is backed by Libs/Nationals. But the unions might not be that different, although for a different reason...
Reg.

 

There is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution and we should have no illegal problem.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy with a Commerce Clause and whine about taxes and try to cut social services for the Poorest.

 

Here's a good article on Transparency.org

TACKLING THE CRISIS OF DEMOCRACY, PROMOTING RULE OF LAW AND FIGHTING CORRUPTION
https://www.transparency.org/news/f...promoting_rule_of_law_and_fighting_corruption

Here is why it matters ^^

 

Well there was the corruption case with the Reserve Bank

Guilty Pleas made by Note Printing Australia and Securency in the Supreme Court of Victoria
https://www.rba.gov.au/media-releases/2018/mr-18-29.html

I'm also aware of a Victorian Department of Education corruption case involving school funding

IBAC: Victorian Education Department director allegedly funnelled millions of dollars from schools
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04...ons-from-schools-to-family-businesses/6424334

 

Hi sw,
didn't know that, interesting links, hmmmmmmmmm, you might be right after all,
cheers Cats

 

Well thought out, BUT when it comes to immigration, if you can ignore the fact that Australia cannot sustain such growth due to the economic and infrastructure deficiencies. Ignoring these aspects I do believe it can grow.


Regardless of the principal racism Australia secretly holds and the distinct lack of predominate culture Australia holds I don’t see either of those Arguments being of issue due to the fact a flood of cultures and antiracist beliefs would drown the minority of racial divide.

In those circumstance, I would suggest Australia provide safe residency for those living in tent cities on boarders of nations where who really did flee their homes with nothing. Then consider those who pay for their passage to be housed where they want leaving those who apply last maybe, or the other way around, not really committed to the last. Rather idealistic due to the fact you cannot ignore the economic or infrastructure to accommodate such immigration.

But I would like to point out, the saying of Australia being the lucky country is not from the people who live in it. It is for the abundance in the nation. The fact that it can be scorching hot in one area and snowing in another at the same time. The fact that Australia can produce enough food to feed itself into obesity while remaining in relative safety.


Australia the lucky country, is far more than what people feel, but what people are. Safe enough to live in relative security… There is so much in this nation that makes it lucky, putting it down the self-interest of the people in it to me shows lack of comprehension of what the lucky country is.

 

We should be upgrading Ellis Island and surrounding infrastructure.

 

You tell that to young people having to fork out a million dollars for a dilapidated piece of **** referred to as a roof over their head

 

and that is my point, YOUR focused as a consumer of what is in it for you, while the term actually referes to the fact they are lucky to be live in a country that provides so much naturally.

 

Garry this is going to surprise you but did you know there is a whole world out there with natural beauty... plenty of countries offer natural beauty.

Financial stress can make you miserable and feel rather "unlucky" even when you are standing on the beach looking at the sunset.

 

Yes I did, but again when we refer to the lucky country it is due entirely to what is naturally provided, not what you can buy.


Just a point here, you are discussing the self while I am discussing the community. they are two different things, the fact is many feel lucky due to the fact they have capitalised on the opportunity that the nation provides for them as well. politics is governing for the community not the individual, when parties talk of changes economically, socially and internationally somebody gets hurt. the key is to continue to provide the opportunity to thrive... NONE of which actually refers to the lucky country...

 

ok so by your definition seeing that we have not been living off the land for some time Australia have stopped being the lucky country decades ago

 

LOL, no Australia still is the lucky country again not about personal gain but natural resources. that fact many Australians are trying to squander those natural benefits is debatable, not their existence..

 

for Gina Rinehart it's lucky... the rest of us not so much, we're just paying through the nose for everything... you're flip flopping Gary...now we're back to "wealth"

 

What??? Flip flopping??? No, I am on the message; it remains you stuck in consumer mode. Judging the national identity to what you own, not what the nation provides.


Or is it you believe when I talk about resources it is the wealth of the nation??? When I talk of resources it is what is naturally provided, such arable land mass, surrounded by water, sun and so much more. I do believe you are trying to suggest I am talking about coal, Iron ore and other minerals...

 

Gary... look down... are your arms crossed but you can't see your hands..... is the jacket you are wearing white?