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Should residents of Gaza considering moving elsewhere????

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by DennisTate, Feb 4, 2024.

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Should residents of Gaza move somewhere else???

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  3. If I lived in Gaza... I would want to move for the sake of the children and grandchildren!!!!

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  4. No... Allah will drive the Israeli Jews into the Mediterranean and Red Seas!!!!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In my opinion.....
    the government of the Palestinian Authority is one of the most corrupt on this earth......

    I believe that they are controlled by Atheists in Russia who want to use the Israeli - Palestinian Conflict to attempt to defeat the USA as the world's leading military superpower.

    I believe that Palestinians would be under a less corrupt government almost anywhere else on earth outside of Gaza!

    My impression is that Russian operatives ARE USING THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AS SACRIFICIAL PAWNS IN THEIR GLOBAL GAME OF CHESS WITH EIGHT BILLION VARIABLES!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.tldm.org/news9/russianinfluenceonmideast.htm






    BREAKING: New Plan Underway To Resettle Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (With Hebrew Subtitles)





    In my opinion... this option for the people of Gaza fits well with the suggestions that I have been making:

    The Tate Plan for Shalom in the Middle East!
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Civilians in Gaza should have been allowed to enter Egypt, Jordan and any of the other nations that have expressed solidarity with them from day 1 of the war.
     
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    Bob Newhart Well-Known Member

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    You two do realize that Hitler suggested something similar for the Jews, right?
     
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    That's right, but not one Jewish nation refused to take Jewish refugees. Think it through.
    Hence Israel.

    Do you know how many Muslim nations have expressed concern for Palestinians in Gaza?
    Have any of them opened their borders to war refugees?
     
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    There is no excuse for Genocide. @DennisTate
     
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    Why would ya stay under a government that is will to martyr you and your children?
     
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    Good question.

    All those Jews in Eastern Europe at the beginning of the 20th Century must have wanted to die. Right?
     
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    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

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    It would be like staying and living in Germany under Hitler as a Jew. How'd that work out for them?
     
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    One never thinks it will get worse until it does.

    The Germans did not just suddenly round up all the Jews and those of Jewish decent and slaughter them at the very beginning, it was gradual.

    For starters, most who were targeted were obvious "Jews" - the ones who went to synagogue and wore their hair differently. Then they started to go after the "rich" "Jews", etc. Many of the "Jews" did not consider themselves Jews. Even as WWII starts, some Jews can't think that they in their position would actually be mass murdered. After all, they are the wives of German Military officers. They didn't see it coming. They didn't realize a half Jew was too much Jew. Imagine actually surviving the war as a German soldier and finding out your mother happened to be just a little too Jewish.

    Look at Palestine now. In the West Bank, Israel has slowly been strangling the Palestinians. But things won't get worse right? After all, the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel proper also have had to live through horrible troubles and they stuck it out and finally were "included".

    What about those 2 million Palestinians living in Israel proper. Surely, they don't think anything bad is going to happen to them. After all, despite the extreme discrimination and unofficial oppression, they even have the ability to vote. Israel would never think about getting rid of them. Right?

    Even now, no one actually thinks Israel will murder 2 million Palestinians in Gaza . . . right?

    One never thinks it will get worse until it does.

    That's why I have my AR-15.
     
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    If you aggress on someone, breaking peace treaties or committing terrorist attacks on it's people and it snaps back and kills you and takes your land as a result...you can't claim "ok ok sorry about all that terrorist ****...let's go back to the 67 borders now!"

    Doesn't work that way.

    The more the Palestinians aggress onto Israel and lose...the more land it may forfeit.
     
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    IOW, there is no excuse for Hamas.
     
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    There is no excuse for genocide.
     
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    Hamas is not committing genocide and has not commited genocide. Israel is.
     
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    You have been disinformed.
    How the term “genocide” is misused in the Israel-Hamas war upload_2024-2-6_10-58-54.png
    The Economist
    https://www.economist.com › 2023/11/10 › how-the-t...
    Nov 10, 2023 — How the term “genocide” is misused in the Israel-Hamas war. South ... Israel is at war with the genocidal Hamas terrorist organisation.” The ...
    https://www.economist.com/the-econo...m-genocide-is-misused-in-the-israel-hamas-war
     
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  15. Bob Newhart

    Bob Newhart Well-Known Member

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    You source is pedophiles who have run away to a rogue country.

    My Source is the ICJ.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Fact: The ICJ did not even order a cease-fire.

    I have shared several sources with you including The Economist and The Atlantic. Do you really think they are "pedophiles"?

    Hamas's Genocidal Intentions Were Never a Secret
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    The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2023/10 › ha...
    Oct 10, 2023 — Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas's genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on .
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...s-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
     
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  17. Bob Newhart

    Bob Newhart Well-Known Member

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    They sure are pedophiles - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/

    ICJ did not order a ceasefire because there is no war. There is a genocide. There is no conflict. Israelis are murdering people because they are Palestinian.

    The ICJ did order:

    "The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in

    accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza,

    take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article

    II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or

    mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life

    calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures

    intended to prevent births within the group. The Court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of

    Article II of the Convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a

    group as such (see paragraph 44 above). The Court further considers that Israel must ensure with

    immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the above-described acts."

    So, yeah, Israel is definitely genociding Palestinians.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Dismissing The Atlantic and The Economist as "pedophiles" does not make much sense.

    OTOH, The UN has been caught doing that sort of thing repeatedly. Now you know the Inconvenient Truth.

    UN Peacekeeping has a Sexual Abuse Problem
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    Human Rights Watch
    https://www.hrw.org › news › 2020/01/11 › un-peace...
    Jan 11, 2020 — While the UN can investigate allegations of sexual abuse and rape, peacekeeper accountability is up to the country that sends the troops. As ...
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/11/un-peacekeeping-has-sexual-abuse-problem
     
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  19. Bob Newhart

    Bob Newhart Well-Known Member

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    What doesn't make sense is not a single client of Epstein has gone to jail, much less arrested. Must be the Israeli connection. Don't worry, Dershowitz kept his underwear on so all is ok . . .
    What a rather poor attempt at whataboutism. Do you read?
     
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    "Do you read?":

    Israel is not committing genocide — but Hamas is
    The Hill
    https://thehill.com › opinion › international › 438853...
    Jan 4, 2024 — Israel isn't trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Israel is trying to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist threat. So, if we're going to ...
    https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4388533-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-but-hamas-is/


    Wall Street Journal
    https://www.wsj.com › Opinion › Commentary
    Unrwa, Hamas and the 'Genocide' Smear Against Israel
    Jan 29, 2024 — South Africa is doing Hamas's bidding, and the case is about more than false claims of genocide. In a war of narratives, the court, which ...
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/unrwa-...st-israel-case-linked-terrorist-orgs-d32f80b2

    Muslims would never fly in Epstein's jet or visit his island -- right? ;-)
     
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    Both in the opinion section . . . hmm. Opinions of Israeli members of the IOF. You're welcome to drink the Hasbara Kool-Aid. I won't.

    Can you read bylines?
     
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    Can you?

    Israel is not committing genocide — but Hamas is
    The Hill
    https://thehill.com › opinion › international › 438853...
    Jan 4, 2024 — Israel isn't trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Israel is trying to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist threat. So, if we're going to ...
    https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4388533-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-but-hamas-is/


    Wall Street Journal
    https://www.wsj.com › Opinion › Commentary
    Unrwa, Hamas and the 'Genocide' Smear Against Israel
    Jan 29, 2024 — South Africa is doing Hamas's bidding, and the case is about more than false claims of genocide. In a war of narratives, the court, which ...
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/unrwa-...st-israel-case-linked-terrorist-orgs-d32f80b2

    UN Peacekeeping has a Sexual Abuse Problem
    [​IMG]
    Human Rights Watch
    https://www.hrw.org › news › 2020/01/11 › un-peace...
    Jan 11, 2020 — While the UN can investigate allegations of sexual abuse and rape, peacekeeper accountability is up to the country that sends the troops. As ...
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/11/un-peacekeeping-has-sexual-abuse-problem

    Hamas's Genocidal Intentions Were Never a Secret
    [​IMG]
    The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2023/10 › ha...
    Oct 10, 2023 — Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas's genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on .
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...s-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

    How the term “genocide” is misused in the Israel-Hamas war [​IMG]
    The Economist
    https://www.economist.com › 2023/11/10 › how-the-t...
    Nov 10, 2023 — How the term “genocide” is misused in the Israel-Hamas war. South ... Israel is at war with the genocidal Hamas terrorist organisation.” The ...
    https://www.economist.com/the-econo...m-genocide-is-misused-in-the-israel-hamas-war
     
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    Bob Newhart Well-Known Member

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    Then Ddyad reposts the same propaganda with the same bylines. Do you know what a byline is?
     
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    Israel is in a bit of a fix.
    In order to access the 1.4 Trillion cubic foot natural gas field,
    they have to get the Palestinians out of Gaza.
     
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    You dismissed my published sources as "pedophiles" when they clearly are not.
    I posted them again to remind you that none of the cited publications are "pedophiles".

    OTOH, I did provide you with a source identifying real pedophiles and sexual abusers employed by the United Nations. Here is another source:

    “ “Failures of peacekeeping missions are a stain on the UN’s record and have caused a crisis of credibility,” said Rep. Smith, who has chaired a long series of hearings focused on accountability for peacekeeper abuse of local populations, especially in egregious cases of sexual abuse and exploitation like the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and Haiti.”
    Smith co-chairs hearing on the shocking abuses committed by UN peacekeepers stationed abroad, Washington, Jan 31, 2024 | Michael Finan (202-225-3765).
    https://chrissmith.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=411853
     
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