Should we abolish ALL forms of government welfare, and let the poor wither and die?

So at 16 you made yourself rich????

What was your parents excuse? Lol

 

No, I made myself not-poor, starting then.

And now, I think I've donated enough time to worthless tangents.

 

How?

Watch him run folks

And your parents owe me a thank you

 

I'm guessing you were great at dodgeball.

 

Potatoes are nice for breakfast

 

The fear of it certainly can be.

I could decide I don't want to go to work tomorrow, or ever. After a certain number of days, I get fired. After awhile, the money in my bank account goes to zero, the power goes out, and I starve to death. The fear of my potential suffering is part of the reason I haul my butt outta bed every weekday morning.

As Pollycy stated, this question is too stark to really answer. I CAN state that the governmental assistance pendulum has swung too far in one direction, especially if you have bimbo representatives proposing we give money to people who refuse to work.

But on the other hand - I had a student two years ago who announced she was pregnant last year. Mom was happy about her ninth grader daughter getting knocked up because hey - here comes that government assistance. I'd LIKE to say I'm joking, but sadly I'm not, and there's plenty more. Meanwhile here I am telling my kids that every study out there says in no uncertain terms that if you get a high school diploma, stay out of the criminal justice system (obey the law and don't argue with the cops) don't have a kid until you're married, and get a job, even if it's just flipping burgers to start you only have a 2% chance of being poor and a 75% chance of being middle class - it's relatively easy to put yourself in a position of NOT needing government assistance.

On top of which, living frugally and committing to investing - even a small amount over an extended period of time - ALWAYS pays dividends. You got people out there who take their money and buy spinny rims for their car or the latest cell phone instead of buying mutual funds or something. It's something I've done, even when I was making next to nothing - and I mean that, when I started out someone on Welfare made more than I was.

The thing is, there comes a point where we're rewarding a failure outlook on finances - and life.

 

We're not even close yet

 

If we have kids - and their parents - looking at the safety net and seeing a hammock then yeah, we're past that point right now.

What WOULD happen if we simply said, you get a year or two of government assistance and no more? Nothing after that? You keep the net around for real emergencies that the prudent would only use when absolutely necessary while the foolish who abuse the system - well, certainly that fear of starvation will lead people to actually start looking for a job when the money runs out.

I'm no Bill Gates and even I figured out how to stay out of poverty and remain solidly middle-class - probably upper middle-class by now. And Lord knows I didn't start out with much and I certainly didn't have a rich family either.

 

Not everyone is you and not everyone can do it

 

For able bodied people they should be strictly limited and short term.

 

Should corporate welfare be abolished? Subsidies for farmers. Bailouts for corporations, banks and insurance companies. EVERYTHING. Should we accept that all people who rely on these systems either find their own way, or simply die off?

 

I believe that there can be a place for certain subsidies in business.

 

Is your side tired of them?

 

Here is the way we see this. All republicans not in agreement, speak to them about my comment.

We simply do not rob your home of your food to donate it to others. We donate our own to the poor gladly. Democrats give away what they did not earn to others and take credit for it.

 

So long as you use your earnings, great. Take from your neighbors to assist anybody and you did wrong. There is no mention in the constitution saying the duty of the Government is for the poor.

 

YES. As a conservative and NOT a Republican, I find corporate bailouts and agriculture subsidies anathema. At the risk of agreeing with AOC on something, I don't think New York should have been subsidizing Amazon jobs, either. Amazon is one of the biggest companies in the world, they can pay their own damn people and stop looking for a government handout.

 

So eliminate all welfare and food stamps. ...right.?

 

No. Another case of failed neoliberalism theory rearing it’s ugly head.

 

The problem with welfare systems is they keep most poor. I was lucky in 2017 and only needed unemployment for 13 weeks before getting back to a good job. That is how the system should work. You make these programs conditional on educational and work goals. Then you gradually reduce the benefits as they become successful or fail. Motivate to elevate.

 

French Revolution

 

This is unfortunately the business model of many of the most successful corporations.

Walmart
McDonalds
Amazon
Disney
The US Military. ( yes, we have service members on welfare and food stamps )

 

Can't really count the military as their money comes from taxpayers anyway. If Congress wanted to fix the problem of underpaid service personnel, they could do so easily. But the way to stop companies from trying to get the government to subsidize them is to do away with government subsidies. But then the Congress's gravy train would stop, too.

 

If a person uses drugs and alcohol, and ignores all the warnings about these things, why should we be responsible for their ignorance and bad behavior?

Should society be responsible for the teenagers and adults who engage in sex and the woman becomes pregnant? Should not the families of the underage take full responsibility or the fathers of these children? Bringing up ones own family is hard enough without supporting those who show no responsibility.

Should we be supporting countries like Puerto Rico, Haiti, or other South American countries over our own citizens?

Why are we giving aid to the illegal invaders that are crossing our Southern Border and setting them up with welfare, jobs, schooling and heath care over our own citizens?

We have veterans living on the street or in sub-standard conditions but we give foreign aid to countries so their citizens or refugees can live a decent life? Why, I ask?

 

So I will put you down in the "F the poor let those bastards die" category. I bet your a so called Christian too arent you?

 

You can put me in the Make America Great Again camp. Charity begins at home. Responsibility for ones action is on them. I refuse to be responsible for another persons ignorance, bad behavior or others corrupt and criminal acts. I refuse to believe the lies perpetrated by those who are looking for a free hand-out when they have been offered shelter, jobs and asylum in other countries before they invade mine. I believe we can raise the standard of living of the less unfortunate in our own country if we spent the money that we donate to other countries, illegals in our own country and undeserving refugees awaiting court appointments. I believe we can be a richer nation if we can have true border security, which includes a wall, that stops illegal invaders crossing into our country, dampen and curtail the flow of drugs into our cities and towns, stop the horrific abuse of woman and children by sex trafficker's. We can have a more prosperous nation if the members of Congress would stop playing their partisan games and pass a true comprehensive immigration reform bill that includes worker visa quotas, e- verify, penalties for anyone who hires an illegal, verification of refugees, elimination of one-foot on American soil rules, etc.

I lived poor a good majority of my life. I started working when I was 13 and at times had 3 different jobs at the same time as a kid. I have always worked in good times and bad times. Some of the jobs payed a decent wage and some paid the minimum. I'm 78 and I still have a full time job at way under the American average wage.

I have not been a saint during my live and have made a few bad decisions along the way but I was the one who paid the wages of my sins. If I'm a Christian then I am a piss poor example of one. I have a wife and three ex-wives who never accused me of being a Godly type person. I do have 5 kids who would probably agree with you about not being generous with my money for them. I learned a lesson when I was real young from my dad when I called him for $100 to get out of jail and he told me "Son, I'm sure a smart person like you figured out how to get in jail can figure out a way too get out". He hung up the phone and never did bail me out.

They tell me that all these people coming up from South America are paying others called "coyote's" to bring them here and sneak them into The United States. I have heard that sometimes it's about $8300. There is old adage that "A fool and his money are soon departed". What type of people send their son's and daughters off with strangers on a trip across three countries walking in 100 + degree heat exposing them to mental, physical and sexual abuse? People want to blame Trump? Trump has nothing to do with the abandonment of these children with criminal forces. Fact is, the Immigration Service, being overburdened does it's very best to rescue these children from the predators.