Should we allow Russia to decide who is elected president as the right wants?

NO evidence worthy of the name to support the latter.

 

A fine answer.



Are you saying you do not like it?

Okay...but you did with this one...so I answered.

 

Such a childish OP.

 

Oh, I see...it was a joke.

You think it is all right for a candidate for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES to make a joke by suggesting that the Russians should hack the opposition and make the hacked material public.

I see now.

Okay. Yeah. I see!

Silly me. I missed that.

 

No what is collapsing is your silly hope that the Russians hacked Hillary, then gave the information to Wikileaks. Hell, before any forensic audit of the DNC computers was done,Hillary was telling the press that the Russians did it!

 

OK. We'll try another approach ... Flynn has now plainly refused to talk to the FBI without immunity. Many are saying, it proves Flynn is guilty of "something". Comey who obviously summoned Flynn, has yet to arrest, or even indict Flynn. Will Comey ever present anything besides his own suspicions? Comey was a pivotal charcter in 2016. IMO, Comey is going to drag this out until 2018. Who's Comeys puppet master?

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282

 

I never said Russia hacked Hillary.

I said that Trump suggested that they do so.

And I said that apparently the Russians attempted to do so.

Why not deal with those things rather than pretend I said something else...and then debate against what you made up?

 

Frank, is that a joke? I'm serious, show me a quote where Trump said what you claimed. Don't show me a damn headline from politico.

 

Great, so now you are not claiming that the Russians hacked Hillary's computer. So the e-mails Wikileaks weren't from the Russians. Good. Now tell me exactly what the Russians did to influence the election.

 

I think Flynn is refusing to talk to the Senate Intelligence Committee...not the FBI.

Flynn is the one quoted earlier as saying, "When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime."

So what is your point?

 

Look at the video.

 

I'm wondering if Comey has had to re-examine all his Russian "evidence" due to Wikis latest Vault 7 release. The FBI may have not even been aware that the CIA had the ability to disguise hackers as "state players", or that hackers may have already stolen those tools prior to the DNC hack. I'm curious as to whether the CIA can "recognize" their own cyber weapons handy work.

 

I am making no claim about who hacked Hillary's computer. Does that mean the Russians did not hack them?

Are you even thinking?

And I have said many times that I do not think the Russians ATTEMPTS TO INFLUENCE OUR ELECTION...did not actually influence them.

I think we should be investigating THE ATTEMPTS.

Good grief, man. Get your act together.

 

My point is clear. Comey influences elections by starting invesigations, and issuing cryptic press releases that insinuate guilt. He did it to not just Hillary, but the DNC down ticket candidates as well. Now he's behaving in the exact manner. He needs to shut up, and get on with it. Schiff has no investigators, and Comey hasn't presented evidence. What's to review if Comey hasn't a case to present for review?

 

If it is found that Russia did indeed try to dabble in our election, what do you want the US to do about it? Will war with Russia satisfy you or do you just want to remove Trump from office? Tell us what you really want.

 

Good questions. I've thought about those also. But the fact that the FBI never performed the forensic audit on the DNC computer, Hillary already had blamed the Russians before any audit, and then the DNC hired CrowdStrike to perform the audit. And CrowdStrike was founded by a guy who was good friends with Hillary's Russian policy advisor(both are fellows in an anti-Russian tinktank.) It all stinks to me.I've read three different articles claiming that CrowdStrike made an error in blaming the Russians for the hack.

 

FBI's Comey: Republicans also hacked by Russia
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html

If all you're talking about is attempts, lots of countries make attempts. Ever hear of China. What's your point? How does this relate to the right wanting the Russians to pick our president? Answer, it doesn't. Unless you're wearing a tin foil cap.

So the only crime we know of is Hillary's colluding with the Ukraine. Lock her up!

 

What the hell are you talking about????

Quote something I said...and tell me why you disagree with what I said.

Stop making crap up and then arguing against what you invent. I agree with you...the crap you invent is garbage.

 

You need to start telling the truth Frank. Trump never asked the Russians to hack American politicians and release the material to the public. I've asked for proof, and you give me a politico headline that is not a quote from Trump.

 

See post #148. You are the one making things up. What did I make up?

 

The DNC also employed 3 foreign IT contractors now facing federal charges ... they were given access to gov't systems. A State Dept. employee has been arrested for being a Chinese conduit. The Dems have exposed our cyber vulnerabilities at every opportunity. Steeles recruitment seems conspicuous in that he appears exactly as the DNC so desperately needs a scapegoat, or at least a distraction.

 

If Frank Apisa gives you any more nonsense about the Russians interfering in our election, ask him why he's not the least bit upset that the Ukraine was helping Hillary. More proof of that than the Trump/Russian connection.
http://observer.com/2017/01/ukraine-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-election/

 

This last election wasn't one in which one choose the candidate they wanted to be the next president, it was one in which they choose the candidate they didn't want the most not to be the next president. You just had an election in which over 60% of the voters didn't want Trump, but that 60% included Clinton supporters. You also had over 60% of the people not wanting Clinton to be their next president, which also included Trump supporters. Then you had 25% of the total of Americans who didn't want either one to become the next president. They hated both major party candidates, but 80% of that 25% went and voted for the candidate they hated the least, the lesser of two evils so to speak. But voted for evil nonetheless.

That said, with what looks like the Democrats, Clinton supporters out to destroy Trump this Russian thing hasn't caught on with the public much. That is outside of Clinton supporters and Democrats. It's like the boy who cried wolf too many times. Those non-affiliated voters don't know what to think. Is this just another political ploy of the Democrats to denigrate Trump or is there something there? I myself don't know. With the way all Democrats are attacking Trump, there is no way to be sure this isn't just sour grapes, political propaganda, a political tactic or the real thing.

With a decent candidate you guys would have had a Democrat sitting in the White House today. By winning by a 10-15 point margin. No one likes Trump, that is outside of his supporters. Probably about 35% of total America. But I suppose the same opposition and attempt to get rid of Trump by the Democrats would be happening if Clinton had won by the Republicans.

I for one am just sick and tired of the polarization in Washington. Of each major political party putting party over country. I think it is way past time the two parties start working together for the good of the country and not to continue to divide her in search of votes. Lincoln said it best, "A country divided can not stand." A country in which its two major political parties put their party high above the nation as a whole, won't last much longer either.

 

I did. He didn't say what you said. Got another video or link quoting him?