Show me why killing a fetus is wrong.

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  1. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Lifers go on and on about abortion: 'oh its homicide' and 'oh you're killing a human being' yadda yadda cry cry. Fact is I agree, but this doesn't show how abortion is wrong. The problem I have with lifers is they cant justify their opposition to abortion with any rational logic. All they have is emotionalism and rhetoric.

    The fetus has no interests - let alone an interest in its existence. If it had preexisting interests, as say an unconscious (born and grown) person does, there would be grounds for reconsideration of abortion, but the fact is there aren't. A fetus has no interests as it has no mind - no conception, of space, time, of itself or of anything within the confines of reality. It has feelings in the most primitive sense of psychical sensations, sure, but that does not constitute an interest or evidence that the mind has developed to keep an interest in living. This emerges only after the first few months of being born - but never before.

    So, lifers, tell me why killing a fetus is wrong.
     
  2. Bowerbird

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    Lots of luck!!

    I am still waiting for them to outline to me how on this Earth or the next one they will ever get effective legislation passed
     
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    I was visiting a fetus today. She's eleven now and was delivered in an attempted abortion. She's doing quite well, thank you.

    I realize in the U.S., once she was delivered and was alive the doctor would heve severed the spinal cord with scissors or smothered her but that doesn't happen here.

    Now, explain to me the difference in a fetus as a parasite and a liberal as a parasite.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Did her mother change her mind about the abortion or did she actually deliver her daughter alive at an abortion clinic?

    I never understand these "abortion survivor" stories at all. How does a fetus survive an abortion? Especially one done in the first trimester, which is when the majority of abortions occur?
     
  5. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    I dont understand what you have said or what the question is. If you could just make it clearer, I would happily answer.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    It is wrong to kill a human except in self defense.
    A fetus is a human being.
    Killing a fetus is murder.
    Simple logic.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not simple logic, but logical fallacy. "A fetus is a human being"=begging the question.
     
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    Abortion is a mother killing her child..

    Abortion no baby, no abortion a baby is born. So abortion kills the baby
     
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    There is no baby, just a fetus. Abortion kills a fetus.
     
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    The fetus lacks a nervous systems, lacks conciseness, it does not have a life to take.

    Seems rather straight forward.
     
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    It grows into a human being therefore it is a human being.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    My apple seed might grow into an apple tree - is my apple seed actually an apple tree?
     
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    I don't know why I even bother responding to posts like this anymore. They're so blatantly ridiculous. But just to put what you have said here into perspective, this same type of argument could have been used to justify slavery, "There is no person, just a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). Slavery is ownership of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)."

    Once upon a time, blacks were not seen as people either. In the 1800s, being a "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" automatically precluded someone from being a person. Just as being a "fetus" does today.

    Just something to consider.



    Arbitrary argument is arbitrary. What makes a nervous system and consciousness the deciding factors? Why not a brain? Why not lungs? Why not a heart?
     
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    This is your rationale? Blacks are people so that proves a fetus is a person?
     
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    Killing is wrong.!

    But sometimes we have to choose between the "lesser" of two evils.
    I just wish the Christian Soldiers would grow up and realize this is not the 1800's anymore...
     
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    Sorry your proof of that?


    Didn't think so
     
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    No, not all of them do

    And if you think differently then go look at any pathology website

    Mother nature can be a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)[​IMG]
     
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    Why is killing any human being "wrong"?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    That makes no sense. Let me put it this way. Is a fetus the same as a young child?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    It isnt wrong. It is only wrong to kill ANYTHING with an interest, which includes grown humans (although there maybe exceptions, like overwhelming positive utility - so killing a rat to create a cure for cancer, etc).
     
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    Wrong, it is a human being because it is a human organism.
     
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    What is with the religious bigotry? Nobody mentioned religious basis here.
     
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    Why? Why does this "with an interest" issue matter?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    A sperm cell is also a human organism. Is it also a human being? But who cares anyway. What is so bad, per say, about killing a human being?
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Because its the ONLY basis to consider others and the only foundation of a mode of ethics, let alone the most commonly recurring. You have never, not once, told me why human life is so important. I have repeatedly shown why a consideration of interests is paramount to any ethical thinking. Consequently abortion, between us, has been shown as morally acceptable.
     
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