Simple Solution to the "Bathroom Debate"

Separate stalls in half and the long pissing throughs in the other else you are going to have to put in LOTS more stalls and that;s LOTS more money and maintenance.

 

I'm the right side of common sense and proper decorum, your non-sequitur notwithstanding.

 

It's a simple solution - but not a cost effective one.

 

How do you know that it is a mental defect? Not so long ago, homosexuality was considered, not only illegal resulting in a prison sentence, but also a mental defect that could be cured with treatments such as electric shock. Do many people still believe that it is a mental defect?

'We' don't know what it is like to feel that you are displaying the wrong external physical sex features. I think it is weird to cross dress or transgend and I don't understand it but I am not in a position to know how they feel. I see no reason not to have all restrooms and changing rooms in shops to be unisex. Showers and areas where nudity may exist is a different issue IMO where transgenders and transvestites should definitely be treated as to "what they now have".

 

In the public bar restrooms in my hotel, the biggest maintenance goes on the troughs due to the timed flushing system not being reliable and the cost of water supply is higher due to flushing occurring whether the troughs have been used or not (we don't actually have troughs but a line of open urinals). I was surprised at the daily cost of water when I measured it !

 

I'll type slow this time...my point is if we're having 131 MILLION events each year in which we're asking the kids to work it out, not only will there be constant emotional stress but in some cases someone is going to get hurt or killed. Again, I have not given any thought to possible solutions, but no matter, I think it's an issue that cannot be left to school kids to sort out...

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Here's a clue...I don't know and I don't care!

 

Bigotry towards the LGBT community has never been about common sense and decorum. It's always been about religious idiocy and feeling morally superior.

 

So the law was there for what.......9 months. How many problems were there?
Any other "bogey men" you want to talk about?

 

Thanks for the admission.

By the way, someone in this thread already posted some of the problems, if you were really interested...but you aren't of course. This is just an attempt to pivot away from you being wrong. The idea that there is some magic number of incidents that would have to happen..or that some line would have to be crossed to tell us that a Male pretending to be a Female is a problem is laughable. Even if there were no incidents yet at all...there still would be no valid reason to humor this delusional state of mind.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
That isbwhat was asked and the pertinent number here. What perecent of elementary school kids go to school dressed as the opposite sex and pretend to be the opposite sex.

More than 1% or less than 1%?

Then how can you even discuss the issue, that is a pretty pertinent point. YOU brought in the numbers and now you refuse to take the proper view of those numbers in that how many kids are affected by this before we turn society on its head.

 

The easiest solution would be for people to quit making up reasons to create an issue that never existed until society let Transgender kids/people be themselves.

You fear some tranny boy looking a little girl in the bathroom?

Guess what folk...womens bathrooms have stalls.

 

Yeah, yeah.....people said the same thing about blacks, the same thing about people with Down Syndrome. Congratulations, you're standing in line with them.

 

So how many bathrooms do you put in a school ? How many in a restaurant ? What about .locker rooms, does everyone get their own ?

 

Hahah....really sad what you've been reduced to here. Playing the race card, and trying to now make the comparison to actual Biological, Genetic facts. Black, verifiable, genetic fact. Downs, verifiable genetic fact.

I'm a guy who thinks I'm really a girl, and everyone else has to play along with me....pure (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nonsense.

 

Maybe in your world 131 million times each year when there is a potentially traumatic and dangerous event you keep searching for a 'percentage' number solely to support your position...131 million means nothing to you but 1% means everything to you??

This is not about bathrooms but it is about transgender people;

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/us/new-orleans-transgender-homicides/index.html

I can discuss this and any issue without being forced to look at YOUR information. I gave you numbers and they speak for themselves. Perhaps you could volunteer to go speak with the surviving relatives in the article above and encourage them to accept your position that since they are a minority number...(*)(*)(*)(*) happens! You should go to all the schools and tell those 150,000 kids that they are on their own?

BTW; no society is being turned on it's head?

 

Guess what folk...........there are no stalls in the high school shower rooms.

 

Your number is meaningless unless we know what percentage of the total is affected.

If .0000001% of kids in elementary school have a bad physical reaction to the color red should we ban the color red in all schools? If the same number as a bad reaction to the lower humidity in an air conditioned school room should be take out air conditioning in all classrooms?

 

Okay...I see now. It's not a bathroom bill anymore, it's a shower bill. I guess we need to pass a law to protect little boys and girls from all those sexual assaults in gym class. Better do something about those pesky lesbians too while we're at it.

 

You think it's sad that you keep proving yourself to be a bigot.....interesting. The fears you keep as your back stop are the EXACT same fears as to why blacks had separate.....well, everything, and why people with Downs were (for lack of a better word) disposed of.
Fine, you want to point out that blacks are a verifiable, genetic fact....OK. Wasn't looked upon like that in my lifetime. Downs was treated even worse but now is a verifiable genetic fact. In the near future the reason people are gay will be a verifiable fact....the evidence is pointing that way.
It's just a matter of time when the mysteries are unraveled......and you will be proven wrong.....again. So go ahead and post more about "snowflakes" and such but know that you are more comfortable with your little boy peeing next to guy that looks like a woman than your little girl in her own stall peeing next to a guy that looks like a woman that she can't see.

 

You obviously lack empathy...too bad you cannot place yourself in other's shoes to begin to imagine what their day might be like? What is so horrible about admitting that 'some' kids are different and need some help and protection? Why do you suppose schools are required to be wheelchair accessible when .0000001% of the kids don't have wheelchairs? Why do you suppose this is even a topic today?

Just maybe with all of the personal identifications people have today, their transformations, their personal behaviors, their sexual preferences, etc. etc. that it's time for a paradigm shift away from multi-person public restrooms? I don't know...but I know things are changing and that we must protect our kids! If you were the parent of a transgender kid and they got bullied or beat up at school for using the wrong bathroom or shower or whatever...do you just tell them (*)(*)(*)(*) happens?

 

Why would it matter in a restaurant? Make all of them unisex in a restaurant - many small restaurants only have unisex bathrooms.

 

LOL...ahh the followup to the race card...call someone a bigot. You Liberals are such sad cartoon characters. I always know what you're going to comeback with, and it's always the same....namecalling and BS arguments.
Genetic Males however are always going to be Genetic Males. Science isn't going to show us tomorrow that they really might be Females so all that garbage above was an utter waste of time. The only one continually being proven wrong is you. I even tried to give you an olive branch earlier and say we could simply disagree, but you thought you had a leg to stand on and tried to get cute by saying I was wrong...and now here you are...proven wrong...once again.

Next time take the olive branch when someone extends it and save some face.

 

The race card is played because it's in the deck. You fail to realize or refuse to admit that at the time blacks were thought to be 3/5 human so if you want to say "race card", ok, but the facts fit the case. Genetic males are going to be genetic males but some of them will have a preference for males. The point is you want it to be a black and white issue (males are male etc.) and the human condition is not.
Now I'm going for the Trifecta because what pisses me off about people like you is you have no empathy.You say that I'm enabling people with a mental disorder yet I've already pointed out that while for centuries we killed Downs, gays, etc. you probably have no problem sending your kids to bible school/camp where more harm has been done to children than all the bathroom/locker rooms combined.
The law was there and nothing happened.

 

A simple national identity card will do,
with a big bold red gender written on it, it's also helpful against illegal immigrants.

 

Ahhh the you must be religious card too, nice trifecta lol.

I have plenty of empathy, thats where you are wrong. When I see a person with an obvious mental problem, like a delusional state...I wish them to be helped. Playing along with the delusion, and telling them it's real is NOT help. Cutting up their bodies and injecting hormones to further promote this falsehood is not only not help...but it's doing harm.
These people, even after the surgery and hormones wont be the gender they believe, just a costume appearance of it. You are effectively putting them into a halfway state, where they are no longer what they were and yet not what they are being told they can be...like some Frankenstein monster.
This is a harmful state to put them into. Go to the site sexchangeregret, and see how many see their "treatment" now.

We do not validate any other mental delusions, and that's for a reason...it's not real treatment. We shouldn't be doing it here either, and I firmly believe down the road we will learn that this is actually harmful and look back in horror at what is being done today.

This is what pisses me off about people like you. You are doing harm to these people and validating falsehood and then running around like you have some moral superiority over those who would like them to get REAL help. You and the other enablers are the ones doing harm here, yet pretending you're helping. Worse still, you seem to think the rest of society..the ones with clear heads...should be forced to partake in this frankensteinish "treatment" and even subject their children to it. No thank you.


A Male cannot be a Female...it's just the facts. The real help is to get these people to accept and be comfortable with what they actually are. Building up fantasies are not treatment.