Single payer is a death sentence for seniors

You can’t even explain what you’d like seniors to do about healthcare if you had your wish and Medicare was eliminated. Seems you haven’t thought anything through. Carry on.

 

haha... more illogical thinking.

Think a bit more about what you're saying. You are making the assumption that because I don't like X, then I don't like Y and Z.

If it helps, plot your argument out with a few premises and conclusions based on those premises, and then we'll see where we can go from there.

 

Why would I care what seniors do about their healthcare? So I want something they use eliminated. I'm also eliminating the need to fund those programs so that they can figure out how to spend their money themselves. It's not my job to spend their money.

 

You got it!

 

Like I said...you can’t explain why you’d suggest as an alternative. Good thing you’re not in charge of anything important. My lord.

 

People like him crack me up. They want to bitch about things but offer no real solutions. All talk.

 

You haven't explained why that's my responsibility.

Look, let's say that I want to eliminate some bloated government program that supplies food, housing, clothing, education, healthcare, jobs, and pubic hair removal for everybody. You'd be sitting there asking me what sort of plan I have to replace that program with.

Try to understand that from my perspective, you're caught in this trap of thinking people can't figure out how to provide these things for themselves. You have an institutionalized mentality that's just like prisoners getting out of prison after 40 years and wondering who is going to tell them when to take a dump, when to eat, what to eat, what time to go to bed and what time to wake up.

Try thinking outside of that institutionalized box.

 

Argentina has Universal Health Care. So does Cuba. How are those working? You like Canada, how is that working?
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017
Funny you should mention the ACA. That is what happens when the government gets involved in Healthcare. There actually are several examples of Government controlled healthcare in the US. The VA and Indian Reservations are prime examples. You want that for everybody?

 

Are you going to refund all that money seniors paid into Medicare when you change the program?

 

Nope. Sorry

 

Where is your plan working? LOL

 

Hmm, you said indigents, seniors and premature babies were the cause of high premiums. Do those go away under a single payer system? How about the 20 million illegals? Who pays for them? Should we do like Europe and Canada? Let them die if they don't have money.

 

From all accounts doing much better than the USA

 

Gee you will be displacing millions of workers in the insurance industry and HR people. How does the government replace all this lost tax revenue?

 

No but what DOES ago away are obscene corporate profits and CEO fat cat salaries

Overservicing sees a dip, single payer means single buyer so you have more bargaining power to lower prices for medications......

 

So you think the government should steal money from the elderly?

 

They need someone to administer a single payer. But there is no reason why you cannot have a dual layer system like Australia. People who want it can have private health cover, but in times of crisis go public

 

In Canada it's working pretty well. Having to wait a little longer for a treatment is better than dying of cancer because I won't put myself in debt I could never pay back to see a doctor. You whining about trivial things like wait times is not going to convince anyone of anything as for profit indirect shortlisting based on income is 10 times worse. Wait times are a necessity in medical care. Have you heard of triage?

The ACA is what happens when the republican party gets involved in healthcare (it was originally a republican plan). No other major western country has a system anything like it. Using it as a comparison for universal healthcare is a moot point. It's not government healthcare anyway (nationalized healthcare). It's government mandated private insurance. Premiums of course are going to be high when you mandate to a private insurer the policy MUST cover all possible fatal diagnoses plus ones that were already diagnosed. This is turn combined with all the other little fees involved including middle man fees.

The VA could be done better but it's not single payer anyway so I'm unsure as to why you bring it up. I want a system that guarantees payment for both basic preventative care and life threatening procedures for every US citizen (plus possibly some kinds of elective treatments), regardless of income. Beyond that you can get any extra insurance you want. Your deflection to these other countries is pointless.

 

Soo infant mortality is only dependent on healthcare. How do their cancer survivor rates look?

 

Yes I do. You are hilarious. LOL

 

Curious, how do you make it cheaper if you have the same number of people working in the industry, have the same care, and are adding 10s of millions of non paying people to the system?

 

By reducing the price. Do you know a MRI is one quarter of the price in france?

 

What is hilarious about that? The average senior has paid over a 100K into Medicare.

 

Doctors should be required to display prices for everything and illegal aliens would have to pay that price or be indebted. Or they would have to buy basic private health insurance or buy a temporary tourist plan. Maybe it's partially subsidized, Idk. (it's kind of off topic). Anyway, they would not be covered as a US citizen would be. Because both drug prices and healthcare costs are lower as government is no longer trying to mandate private insurers and there are less middle men, prices should start to drastically decrease. Also the government is now allowed to negotiate prices as well as the private citizen (because they can directly see how much things cost) so you would see considerable price drops like you see in other western countries.

Then you have to deal with the problem of people suing doctors for every little thing but that is a separate issue which we are currently dealing with.

Also seniors, and premature babies are probably still going to include a large portion of the cost in a single payer system. I'm not really sure why this is an issue.

 

And they will just get something just as good