Single payer is a death sentence for seniors

Same thing if you are in default of ANY debt

But you have a similar system already

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...are-for-undocumented-immigrants/#4f2bf21412c4

 

Always better not to create housing bubbles with money you can never repay. Always better to not tap out your equity. Always better to save your entire life.
But keep sticking your hand out

 

Not true, it was Obama who stole over $700 billion from Medicare.

 

republican wrote the bill, Obama either had to accept it to get what he wanted or reject it - republicans want to get rid of social security and Medicare

same with the Bush tax cuts, Obama wanted more for the middle class, republicans wanted more for the rich, Obama was forced to compromise or republicans were going to raise taxes on the middle class

same happened with Trump's middle class tax cuts, HUGE permanent tax cuts for the corps or no temporary tax cuts for the middle class

see a trend here?

 

Lol, only congress and the senate has the blame for any budget changes, so you can only blame congress, and it was a republican bill. I'm not saying Obama has no blame however. He wanted something for his work plus he's just as corrupt as the rest of them, so when he could have vetoed it, he didn't.

 

Wow, waiting waiting 41.7 weeks for treatment is triage. And the ACA is a Republican plan? Better tell Obama. <Rule 3>
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Ontario reports the shortest total wait (15.4 weeks), while New Brunswick reports the longest (41.7 weeks). There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopaedic surgery (41.7 weeks), while those waiting for medical oncology begin treatment in 3.2 weeks.

 

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...its-716-billion-cut-to-medicare/#54963600385f

 

Obama already knows this. It was originally a republican plan modified yes in the the Obama administration. <Reply to Deleted>

What I said before still stands, and yes it is triage. Even with private insurance you still have long wait times for these kinds of things, even in the US. I'm not denying wait times could be longer in a state healthcare system, just that the benefits far outweigh the cons a private for profit system provides. Not to mention the fact we don't have to have exactly the same system Canada has. These points you are making really have no bearing if you would just think about it a little more <Mod Edit>

 

Reality check here. I know you don't like that but sometimes you just have to face reality. Millions of people work in the insurance industry. This is where their expertise lies. Many of them are also in their 50s and 60s. Finding jobs for these people will not be easy.

 

First it depends on how many quarters you have contributed to Medicare. If you don't make the minimum you have to pay for everything. You can opt out of part B. But then they don't pay for meds or doctor visits. That seems a little stupid to me. But not more stupid than most of the stuff you post.

 

Why couldn't they get jobs in an administrative or accountant position? Is it not similar enough?

 

So it is bend over for the American Tax Payer and you don't see how this adds to health care costs.

 

Wow now you're resorting to ad hominems, nice. I guess you think I somehow designed the medicare system. I'm both offended and proud lol. Look, the point is single payer does not have to have the same deductible or premium requirements medicare has, most likely it would have no such requirements. You are the one assuming it does.

 

You already have a system which supposedly prevents illegals from accessing free health care

Why would that change under a universal health care system?

 

We already have those costs plus everything else wrong with the current system so why is this somehow something single payer would add.

 

I love the fact he is simultaneously claiming that a universal healthcare system would not be cheaper whilst complaining about the amount of people who would be put out of work

 

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Medicaid for all will mean few hospitals, clinics, providers can cover costs. Medicaid pays so little that it doesn't even cover costs of treatment.

 

Republican plan? It was based on a Massachusetts plan. Drawn up and passed by Democrats, then signed by Romney. For Christ's sake, not a single Republican voted for Obama Care. <Mod Edit>

 

what your saying is so many people would choose government health care over private care that you think it would make hospitals less profitable?

Corporations will not cover insurance costs much longer, it's costing too much

we really need to address the American diet, bring those health care costs down, but there are many groups with profit and ideological agenda's trying to derail that

 

I'll admit I was misinformed on this <Mod Edit> but yet I was never a registered democrat either so saying the cluster is all mine is ridiculous. I never liked the ACA and it came about when I was a first time voter and even dumber than I am now. I was in my Ron Paul phase of life. The ACA is an awful plan, whoever designed it, whether the government is involved or not. If you cannot see the difference between the expansion of a single payer system and mandated private health insurance there is no hope for you anyway.

 

Let us look at it objectively. We have one Government ran plan, Medicaid. Medicaid costs on average $533 a month per participant. The average healthcare insurance premium without subsidies is $393 per month. Which is less?

 

A doctor visit in France for a non citizen runs about $25.

 

Oh no....the horror!!!! LOL

 

I already agree having private insurance for even basic necessary coverage for life would be more efficient by a little, but I also happen to think it's immoral to exploit a citizens basic life with for profit insurance. Those numbers are already inflated anyway because citizens can't see what they are actually paying for services and the government can't negotiate. This has already been restated a million times in this thread. You are referring to going back to how things were in the 20's which is a completely valid position, but in that case, why not just get rid of medicare and medicaid as well?

 

So what. I already said it happens today. Unless you can prove otherwise. We are all subsidizing those who can't pay with higher premiums and higher costs. For the providers must treat all people and if they don't pay, we do for them. You never bother to address that.