Single payer is a death sentence for seniors

Of course it is.. and that has been studied for over 30 years. They have perverted Dr. Emanuels work because they haven't bothered to read it and understand it..

 

In addition, the government imposes very high taxes on cigarettes and alcohol...helps fill the coffers for smokers and drinkers who may need more healthcare...

 

Having been the person whose loved one was in the ICU while I waited for the people from the insurance company to tell the doctors whether they would cover treatment, I can attest to that last fact from personal experience.

No one who has spent any significant time in a US hospital or doctor's office and paid attention to what was going on around them would be in any doubt that death panels were an everyday occurance here before the ACA was passed.

I have seen two different patients in adjacent beds get radically different treatement based solely on what their insurance would pay for.

But right wingers would rather pay significantly more and consign their fates to insurance companies that have no accountablility.

 

Of course, they didn't read it. They don't read anything more than a paragraph long.

 

Yeah! Get your socialist hands off Seniors’ Medicare!

They don’t need single payer, they have Medicare!

 

Yeah and seniors have nothing to protect them from government.

They need something like that AARP group that constantly lobbies regarding Medicare. Damn good the government doesn’t have its hands in that!

 

Healthcare already costs hundreds of billions. Medicare for all is projected to cost 33 trillion and not doing it will cost 52 trillion. Do the math. This is even without the cost controls that other countries have that make them 2 1/2 times cheaper than the US. Fixing the money problem is very simple actually. Just replace premiums with a tax. Solved. All this is extending our current healthcare we have for the poor and seniors to everyone and saving a crazy amount of money from simplifying the system and limiting costs with giving the government strong bargaining power with having the entire customer base.

Also your attack that socialized healthcare is bad because it hurts socialized healthcare for seniors is pretty non-nonsensical. If you are against socialized healthcare then shouldn't you be against socialized healthcare for seniors rather than complaining it will be underfunded (which it won't be)?

Now, maybe you and I can dream up a free market system that in our minds are better than this. Problem is that we can't find any agreement on a free market system and you probably won't find a lot of healthcare experts saying the same thing as you. We have been having this fight over a free market system for decades now with many scattered attempts at improvement failing to fix our broken system. Universal healthcare on the other hand has been passed in every other developed country and has been proven in these cases to dramatically save a lot of money. Also a majority of the population now supports universal healthcare. So this seems like the most politically practical alternative to our current system.

 

I don't think so. I think the concept is distrust of having government run the health care industry. There is good reason for that.

 

I would if I had any reason to believe the projections.

 

What about your believe the actual numbers that countries with universal healthcare pay 2 1/2 times less for care than the US does.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with universal health care. Also, I'm willing to believe that some governments could handle such a thing. Our government has proven to be incompetent in this area. Reducing health care costs, on the other hand, is doable and worth doing.

 

Care to talk about how America’s capitalist medicine has an infant mortality rate on par with the 3rd World?

 

The US has universal healthcare access too. You can go to the hospital at any time and get healthcare even if that put you in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. That isn't being debated. The point is whether this healthcare is affordable for individuals so they won't get financially ruined when they get sick, and whether 3.5 trillion dollars of healthcare costs is affordable for the country.

 

I don't believe that but I would be interested in knowing how you think government intervention would improve things.

 

Shh, it's a secret from the right...

 

Allows access to healthcare.

 

Do you know someone who was denied health care? I don't.

 

Well we can’t start with the fact that the other 1st world states with universal healthcare have far lower infant mortality rates than we do.

 

Especially in Texass..

 

Yes, next...

 

Government doesn't run the healthcare industry.

It just pays the Single Payer bills for Medicare.

 

I've heard of people who can't afford an operation and/or medications...that's kinda like being denied health care.

 

Not if they can't get the operation or medication.

 

I was referring to the VA and Obamacare.

 

It is astounding, isn't it, that people would willingly put their health into the hands of a business that is designed for profit. If you actually use the benefits of the product you purchase, your rates go up. And they have the ability to decide if you can use those benefits at all!