Single payer is a death sentence for seniors

The government does not actually manage any healthcare under Obamacare or Medicare.

 

This could be highly misleading, or maybe just moderately misleading. Life expectancy statistics are heavily skewed by new born and infant deaths. Many countries record those deaths differently, as in don't count them as deaths unless they reach a certain age in days or weeks. If those deaths are not counted the overall life expectancy goes up tremendously. What would be more enlightening is the life expectancy for everyone over, say, 40 years old. Alas, I don't have those stats.

 

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They don't know about PRIVATE DELIVERY... The only government healthcare is the VA and it has always been the most expensive and problematic..

 

Medicare does set the payment schedule. That's part of why it is so much cheaper. You get some really good pricing when your pool is over 50 million people.

 

Please don't confuse the confused with facts and logic. Its makes their brains hurt.

 

The VA lost it's way when it tried to treat everything everywhere. It was never meant for that.

 

Single payer would eliminate a huge chunk of this kind of common bullshit.

 

Is this supposed to be interpreted as scientifically substantiating causality?

 

I suspect most seniors aren't self serving selfish leaches and don't want to burden America with such selfishness.

 

Yet, you continue to use socialized medicine. And want to deny anyone else not retired from using it.
How selfish are some seniors?

 

Yay capitalism!

Isn’t this just great, other alternatives are “just die” or “lose your house due to medical bills”.

 

Every industrialized nation has single payer type health care except for the USA.

All of them pay less for health care than we do. Every older citizen of those countries pays less than ANY older citizen of the USA.

All of them have directly comparable life expectancies and outcomes for the health concerns of the aged.

You are fabricating garbage.

 

The chart shows a correlation, not a causality, obviously.

You were asked a question about causality

I want to know the answer, too:

IF single payer is a "death sentence" for the elderly - why do countries with single payer health care have a longer average life span?????

 

Quote: "Our government has proven to be incompetent in this area"

Incompetent indeed!

Example;

In the private sector, when insurers have to dip into their reserves because they had more claims than anticipated, they'll sent us a letter, and then, raise their rates! Today, over 10 million collects DI, mostly 55 and over, and unlike the private sector, Uncle Sam waited until its DI Trust Fund was completely depleted before implementing a few corrective measures.

We reap what we sow...…

To meet the fiscal demand of our boomers, WE DID NOT invest our excess contributions.

 

I was asked a rhetorical question with a graph.

 

How many get the wildly expensive end of life, medically futile care that the US gives patients in their last few weeks of life?

 

I don't believe the question is rhetorical.

The chart shows what's going on.

We should care why we're paying more and dying earlier.

 

That doesn't sound likely to me.

It suggests we're spending more on end of life care, yet still not living as long.

That chart is a serious problem for anyone who thinks our way is better.

 

Government doesn't invest. It doesn't know how. It spends.

 

End of life care takes place in your last month(s) of life. It is wildly expensive and is driven by patient and patient family desires. It is not denied

 

I had cancer surgery a few years ago. A month after the surgery, the oncologist wanted to do a PET scan to check for metastasis. Medicare declined it. I had to pay for the scan myself. Who made the decision that neither the doctor nor I needed the scan? Could it have been government? Someone who didn't know me or my condition?

 

Are you claiming causation?

 

Transportation, water, education, etc., etc. - governments at all levels invest.

 

I get the concept.

I don't get how you see that as impacting the correlation shown by the chart.

 

The chart shows correlation - a major tool used for identifying where we should do further investigation. They suggest where to look for causation.

The countries that are doing better and charging less are not all using the exact same system.

But, it's certainly the case that Western Europe is doing better than the US (for example) in terms of life expectancy and in terms of cost. And, the population is reasonably similar in size, standard of living, etc.

Also, one must surely be looking for a significant cause for a correlation so significant.

I really don't see a cause that could account for the disparity other than the fact that they all use some form of single payer and we do not.