Socialism is good in theory...uh...no, it's not?

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  1. Trollll Out

    Trollll Out Active Member

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    What you mean, like, flooding global markets with products and using tax havens to avoid taxes? Ohhhh I gotcha - the new brand of capitalism. Makes sense
     
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    Yeah that is exactly what I meant. Lol
     
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    If we examine worker co-ops (WSDEs) and their support co-ops where people are working today to build socialism from the ground up, we find that there is a very significant concern for impact on communities and for finding ways to interact. And it works. Think of this: open sourcing of different kinds of activities has shown that with many fingers in the pot, the speed of the advances, improvements, innovations, and the increase in quality far outstrips anything that privately owned businesses have done. And "open source" is very much like socialism in which people work cooperatively. Look at what Mondragon has done and what it is today.
     
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    Hope you didn't hurt yourself pulling that one out your ass. IKEA headquarters are in the Neatherlands. So yes, capitalism and socialism can live together in a blend.
     
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    yeah and the people that say the Earth is flat give evidence to prove that to.

    Hooray you've convinced yourself.

    people who believe the Earth is flat things that proof that it's not is misinformation too

    False propaganda light the spherical Earth?

    Go Tell it to Alex Jones.
     
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    And he owns the business and the means of production.

    Maybe Sweden simply has a blind spot for this character.
     
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    Whatever they have I will take it. Lol
     
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    Dude, go into an IKEA store. I bought furniture there in college...it's as exploitative on consumers as it gets.

    "What? I just bought a rug? Now I need this desk too to put on top of the rug! And this photograph to go on the wall next to it!"
     
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    You make me very hopeful.
     
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    If the company is not owned by the people or the workers then it isn't socialism.

    Capitalism for the ultra-wealthy and socialism for everyone else isn't really a blend that's an oligarchy that is socialist.
     
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    If you say you like Sweden they will say it sucks because it is socialist. If you say you hate Sweden they will say it is great because it is capitalist. Lol
     
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    And it was natural, a response of intelligence.
     
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    Yet the nation in which the company is located has numerous socialist government programs - that is why I pointed out to you that capitalism and socialism can be mixed in society and function well.
     
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    Then why have you been so notably unable to honestly refute my proof?
     
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    Country of 8 million people /=/ country of 320 million people - look at regions of comparable size, population density etc. You can't cherry pick - "more" socialism can exploit external markets as described (IKEA!) but it's not sustainable over large regions. Take broader Europe - you should be aware of the issue with the EU - and then get back to me
     
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    Canada, hell pick any country in the EU
     
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    Who owns the means of production in these nations?
     
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    Call it whatever makes you happy....we need more of it here
     
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    Canada lives off of US exports, do I need to provide links or is this not common knowledge? It also has a population of ~30 million people - does that match as a 'comparable' region?

    Hint: Look at the US vs EU, continue looking at the US vs EU, then in 5 years check back with me on...US vs EU

    edit: Point being, Plebe, yes, semi-socialist tiny nations can exploit exports (oil, IKEA! etc.) to do well, they can't do well on their own when insulated (unlike the US)
     
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    Proof you got from the 10ft purple dragon that only you can see?
     
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    Which first world country counts as a comparable region? Hard to compare to something that dies not exist
     
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    Are you making predictions again? Lol
     
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    Hint: Look at China when it opened it's Great Wall of China and how it's done since then
     
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    They all have significant presence of capitalist enterprise in them. Socialism is still in the developmental stage.
     
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    Uh....China is a socialist country. Lol
     
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