Solving the Police Problem If They Don't Want to be Policed, Don't Police Them

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  1. NaturalBorn

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    Fred On Everything

    Scurrilous Commentary by Fred Reed


    Solving the Police Problem If They Don't Want to be Policed, Don't Police Them


    December 31, 2014


    It is obvious, is it not, that all of the recent problems with the police have occurred because cops keep meddling with people. If the fuzz had left Rodney King alone, Los Angeles would not have burned. If the cop in Ferguson had not stopped Michael Brown after he robbed the store, the town would not have burned. If a New York cop had not tried to keep from selling illegal cigarettes, there would be no protests. If OJ Simpson had not been prosecuted for murdering his wife, racial tension would have been less. On and on.


    It is blindingly clear that nothing but trouble results when cops interact with criminals in places of high diversity. It makes no sense to meddle. It is racism. It is irresponsible. It leads to arson. It needs to stop.


    And it can.


    If you were a young white cop just out of the academy, and asked my advice, I would say, "When on the street, mind your own business." For example, if you see a drug dealer on the corner peddling rock, what should you do? Nothing. Doing nothing protects you, protects the dealer, and keeps the locals from burning the neighborhood. As a police officer, it is your duty to protect.


    Do nothing. Here's why: Let us suppose that the dealer is young, weighs 290 and, when you try to arrest him, says, "(*)(*)(*)(*) off, whitey." You are 35, 180, and haven't been to the gym for a while. What can you do?

    You could call for backup and five of you could swarm the guy, but that looks bad to the population. ("Dem white muhfuhs be gangin' up on a brotha.") Your other choices are try to wrestle him down, pepper-spray him, Tase him, club him, or shoot him. All of these are ugly to watch and upset the locals.
    All have a chance of ending unhappily. The perp has asthma and the pepper spray does him in, or has a weak heart and the Taser croaks him.

    Then here come Jesse and Al, Barack and Eric, the Four Horsemen of the Acopalypse. You will be raped in the media, lose your job and your mortgage, goodbye retirement, and face six months of media circus, death threats against your family, civil suits by the family and civil-rights charges by the feds.


    Don't risk it. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Leave drug peddlers alone. Don't get involved.

    Nonintervention, note, will please everybody. If your department really is brutal, as all are said to be, you can't be brutal if you leave people alone. Complaints about misbehavior will diminish, pleasing blacks and liberals, and this will make your chief happy.

    When you go on the street as a rookie, you will find that police incidents fall into three categories.

    First, things that you encounter by chance: crack whores, bar fights, drug dealers, muggings, burglaries, the fifteen-year-old runaway being worked by her pimp, the guy breaking car windows to steal the GPS. These are the small change of police life. Ignore them. You can later say that you didn't see anything. It is much harder for the feds to come after you for something you didn't do than for something you did. Again, you have nothing to gain by interfering with local enterprise.

    Second, hot calls: rape in progress, armed robbery in progress. You have to answer these because dispatchers record their radio traffic. They are, however, calls dangerous to you. For example, rapists often have violent tendencies. They usually do not want to go to jail. A rapist may attack you with a length of rebar, in which case your choices are to shoot him or have your skull crushed. How do you profit from either of these outcomes?

    The armed robbery offers equal hazards with no rewards. Armed robbers typically are armed. In a shootout you very possibly get killed, which is not to your advantage, or the perp does. It then turns out that he was sixteen, wanted to go to divinity school, the gun was plastic or a cell phone. Brutality, extremism, overreaction, profiling, black lives matter, and here come the Four Horsemen.

    But a wise cop can easily avoid these perils. Rapes don't last long, nor do armed robberies. When you respond to the call, drive at the speed limit, stop for traffic lights, and hit the siren and bar lights well before you arrive at the scene. When you get there, the rapist will be long gone.


    This is a happy ending for everyone. You are happy because you will not be charged with racially motivated murder. The rapist is happy because he will not go to jail. Businesses are happy because they won't be looted, the locals because a brothah was not mistreated.


    Be very careful of profiling beefs. Since this sin is not defined, you can never tell when you have committed it. Suppose you encounter a 2015 Beamer with the passenger-side window broken out, plates with rust stains around the bolt holes, and a nineteen-year-old driver in ghetto-bag attire who refuses to make eye contact.

    What do you do?


    Nothing. It would be profiling. (If you saw him run out of a bank with a gun in one hand and a bag of money it the, and arrested him, it would be profiling.) Don't risk it. The locals will appreciate your sensitivity.

    Technical tip: Don't run the tags out of curiosity. They will come back to a 2006 Camry, and you will be on electronic record as knowing the car was stolen and not doing anything about it. It isn't your problem. The insurance company can handle it.

    If you are of liberal leanings, you can think in terms of cost and benefit. Is an $80 GPS worth a man's life? Should a rapist die because of ten minutes of bad sex? Ferguson burn over a handful of stolen cigars?

    In black neighborhoods, you should do nothing at all in response to anything. This just shows a decent respect for the desires of the population, who do not like white cops, or any cops. (Chanting "What do we want? Dead cops", would seem indicative.) Find a good bar or doughnut shop. Stay in it.

    In mixed regions, arrest only middle-class whites over forty-five to avoid profiling. As for the neighborhoods of rich white liberals, they do not need police because they live in gated communities, so you probably will never be assigned there.


    It is simple democracy. In regions that are almost entirely diverse, people do not want to be policed. It is unmistakable. Why force outside cops on them? It leads to chaos, arson, and armored shoe-stores. Should they not be allowed to police themselves as they choose, to the extent they choose, as towns once did? Live and let live. It is the American way.

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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    This may seem comical but it is in fact largely how cops have always functioned. Cops deter most crime by simply existing and prosecuting crimes that have already happened. Interfering in the actual commission of a crime should very rarely be necessary if the cops are properly doing their job.
     
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    The job of the police is to draw chalk outlines and investigate crime. Per SCOTUS they have no responsibility to protect anyone from criminal activity.
     
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    As I've posted before

    1) Respond only after the shooting stops
    2) Take the dead to a morgue
    3) Take the wounded to a hospital
    4) Move on
     
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    As I understand it, this is what was just tried. The Police Union in New York City staged a "work slowdown" New Years Eve. They refused to cite people for "minor" offenses like open bottle or public urination. The result was a big party with no trouble and very few arrests, a pretty good time had by all. Not sure if that was what the Police Union expected, but what ever works.
     
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    Trouble is someone somewhere actually has to arrest someone...
     
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    When one's enemies mostly kill each other, let them.
     
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    Black people are your enemy?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is, to the best of my memory, the first time "black" was used in this thread. Get your mind out of the racist gutter.
     
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    Than who is your enemy that is mostly killing each other that you speak of? Im curious

    What enemy?

    Clearly, he is talking about black people in the thread. Why do you have to dodge it so blatantly? Be a man and discuss it, you are talking about black people man the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and admit it bricklayer
     
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    First fallback position?

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    My point exactly, we are all the same so to make a thread saying just let black people kill each other and stop policing them is obviously racist

    You do realize just because you may not be racist, it doesnt mean NOBODY can be racist, right?
     
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    Since when does a Marxist care about helping any minority group, Marxists USE division and exploitation to advance tyranny.

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    It is racist to a racist mind.
     
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    Since always.

    Here is Karl Marx's personal letter to Abraham Lincoln after the Civil War,

    "Sir:

    We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority. If resistance to the Slave Power was the reserved watchword of your first election, the triumphant war cry of your re-election is Death to Slavery.

    From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class. The contest for the territories which opened the dire epopee, was it not to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the emigrant or prostituted by the tramp of the slave driver?

    When an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders dared to inscribe, for the first time in the annals of the world, "slavery" on the banner of Armed Revolt, when on the very spots where hardly a century ago the idea of one great Democratic Republic had first sprung up, whence the first Declaration of the Rights of Man was issued, and the first impulse given to the European revolution of the eighteenth century; when on those very spots counterrevolution, with systematic thoroughness, gloried in rescinding "the ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old constitution", and maintained slavery to be "a beneficent institution", indeed, the old solution of the great problem of "the relation of capital to labor", and cynically proclaimed property in man "the cornerstone of the new edifice" — then the working classes of Europe understood at once, even before the fanatic partisanship of the upper classes for the Confederate gentry had given its dismal warning, that the slaveholders' rebellion was to sound the tocsin for a general holy crusade of property against labor, and that for the men of labor, with their hopes for the future, even their past conquests were at stake in that tremendous conflict on the other side of the Atlantic. Everywhere they bore therefore patiently the hardships imposed upon them by the cotton crisis, opposed enthusiastically the proslavery intervention of their betters — and, from most parts of Europe, contributed their quota of blood to the good cause.

    While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.

    The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.

    Signed on behalf of the International Workingmen's Association, the Central Council:"

    What do you find wrong with this letter? Does Marx seem like he doesnt care to you? Clearly he does, and hes not the monster you Reich Wingers made him out to be.

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    You guys wont even admit Cliven Bundy is racist, that bull(*)(*)(*)(*) argument doesnt work
     
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    no, it is unfortunately quite accurate.
     
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    Yup those damn Democrats sure have screwed their old slaves.
     
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    My enemies are those who would impose their best intentions for others upon them by force of law. My enemies are all progressives. Progressives on the left and the right, Isalmists, communists and fascists are all possessed of the same benevolent arrogance and the same desire to impose their best intentions upon others by force of law. My enemies do not see the imposition of their best intentions upon others as a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves; they see it as an alternative to chaos or anarchy.

    My opponents are those who would impose their less-than-best intentions upon me by force. I have a history of simply shooting them. Acquitted X2.
     
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    Every rational person knows Democrats at that time were KKKonservatives, not liberal, the Republicans were liberal and mostly lived in the North, Democrats in the South, opposite of today.
     
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    :wall:


    In regards to this thread, which is about black people, you were blatantly saying black people are your enemy and we should let them kill each other. Be a man and admit it, stop dodging
     
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    The abolition of slavery is a liberal idea. Entitlement dependency is a progressive idea; it is voluntary slavery.

    Most people are not aware of the fact that the vast majority of, what we would today consider, slavery throughout history was completely voluntary.

    I will donate fifty dollars to PF is anyone can tell me where the word "slave" comes from. (Hint- Thomas Sowell has written extensively on the subject.)
     
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    I will admit that black people are far more likely to be progressive than other demographic groups, but progressivism is not at all limited to black people. My enemies are people just like you, and I have absolutely no idea what color you are.
     
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    The Slavic captives, its in the name lol, "Slav(ic)e". The Slavic word for slave is something like "robot" if im not mistaken.

    First of all, modern liberals ARE progressives. The Left Wing is the Party of Movement, the Right Wing is the Party of Order. Clamming that helping poor people is "slavery" simply makes you look like a propagandist fool.
     
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    Technically what OP suggested would save a lot of money and save lives. It's quite obvious many do not want the cops to stop petty crimes. Rob a store owner for some food. No big deal. Insurance will cover it. Leave all the drug dealers and petty criminals alone. Hey certain communities wouldn't get any better but at least the cops won't be getting in trouble and the citizens can sort of police themselves which is what many are asking for. Why not let them?

    The flip side is that those same people will whine and complain that the police aren't doing enough. But when they do enough they still (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and complain. Let them deal with their own problems, those that don't appreciate what the police offer.
     
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    I am Red, the color of Socialist Internationalism! :salute:
     

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