Some older Americans say millennials’ student debt is their own fault

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Or stop living off the government trough. Let THEM loan the money, let THEM issue the student loans and suffer the consequences if the education they sold to the person didn't provide an income enough to pay for it.
     
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    I'm talking about the fact that the people responsible for the high cost of college, are the colleges and universities themselves.
     
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    The thing is that kids today are raised in a "participation trophy" environment where they expect to be rewarded for just showing up. Most honestly believe all they need to do is take out loans go to college and someone will hand them a six figure job upon graduation.
    The reality of life is something they are not intellectually or emotionally ready for.
    Now they think they deserve to have their loans paid by someone else.
     
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    Taxpayers working on the factory floor or working in the grocery store should never, never be put on the hook for sky high university prices and students' foolish financial choices.
     
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    The question should be is why do Universities and colleges CHARGE SO DAMN MUCH and the simple answer to that is that they are For Profit schools, not non profit. Liberals rage about charter schools, yet colleges have been charter schools forever.
     
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    You got your cost of maintaining 100 sq. ft. of sod and they got theirs. You can't afford theirs.
     
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    I would blame their Parents more than them.
     
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    I've known many people who work for non-profits. What you don't seem to understand is that those "profits" are rolled over into expenses by paying their employees more via bonuses.

    There are churches where the minister has a private jet, and since the jet is considered a property of the church, then it's used by the church as a way to maintain non-profit status.

    complaining about non-profits is... kinda ignorant.
     
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    problem is, most teens are poor unless they have mommy and daddy to pay it for them and could not afford college without a loan

    that said, over 50k would be insane unless one had such a mommy or daddy

    and if your poor you need to pick a study that will make you money

    school counselors no longer seem to push this, they want the $$$ - I do think the school is partly responsible for upselling the wrong classes to some students
     
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    I would like to see public colleges that offer classes for public good, like teachers, doctors, nurses, ect...
     
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    Oh don't be ridiculous, of course it hasn't. Finance companies can't sell their crap if we don't agree to buy it. And even when we do agree to buy it, they're not forcing us to take useless Arts degrees. In fact neither are universities. Bad choices of degree are no one's fault but our own. We can just as easily choose degrees which will pay very well, and in which there are plenty of jobs.
     
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    they do. Just that if others want ancient oriental basket weaving, then they offer that, as well.

    They're called universities for a reason. They offer a universe of educational opportunities.
     
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    Caveat Emptor. We can't protect people from themselves. Sharks, predators, and bustards will always exist.
     
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    wash your mouth out! no hibachi shall be thus abused.
     
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    I paid as I went. Semester by semester.
     
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    Yes .. "fashion marketing". Can you imagine?

    We'd have laughed uproariously for a week if one of ours came home with that hairbrained idea.
     
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    University should be free, for vocational courses. ie, ONLY those degrees leading directly to full paid secure work in the field studied. I would go a step further and change the array of eligible courses yearly, according to the ever changing industrial and technological climate. It should always be 'forward looking', so to speak.

    The Arts etc can go back to being the preserve of the rich. Keep such luxury courses full-fee paying, up front (so the much higher number of drop outs you see in such courses, can forfeit the unused portion of their fees to the funding pool - to cover the cost of the free courses.
     
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    That's the Prog Way, Dear :)
     
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    Yes, it's very simple and obvious. But the hubris ridden parents who agree to stupid courses - and their academically flaccid kids - can't seem to figure that out.
     
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    Yeppers. Apparently they hate the working class, now. It couldn't be more clear.
     
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    Definitely.
     
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    Their parents should have been talking to them about the brutal reality of things long before college age.
     
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    I am referring to free federal colleges for those professions
     
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    There is alot more to those profits than paying employees, they take in many millions not counting donations, Id bet there is more embezzling in universities and misuse of funds than there is on wall street
     
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    Do you have evidence for your allegations? The universities I have been at use internal and external controls, as well as compliance mechanisms. I have to do training on those issues on a regular basis. Purchasing departments would figure out pretty quickly if people misuse funds. I am not saying that misuse of funds never happens at universities, as in any organization there are bad apples working at universities too. Is it widespread? I don't think so.
     

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