Some say my opinion of Trump is not rational

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Trump had the documents
    Trump was not authorized to have the documents
    Trump refused to return the documents

    Trump tried to hide the documents.

    There's the proof. We finally done here?
     
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    People are allowed their own opinions

    You are not allowed your own facts.
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah of course they should. Why else would we have classified information? Is that lying to the public? Should the public be aware of every nuclear submarine location? Should the public be aware of every military action? A president is ALWAYS choosing when to release and what to hold. Putting our population into a panic serves no point , and Trump made that call. Covid was entirely new territory in our country. Why add panic?
     
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    What Information was trump responsible to share with the public about COVID that he didnt?
     
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    Lol interesting opinion
     
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    Not telling =/= lying. Different things. Why object to truth-telling? It isn't about panic. It is about basic discretion. Trump didn't care about reality. He never has. He only cares about image and will only ever care about image.
     
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    It wasn't the information he didn't share. It was the misinformation that he DID share. Telling people that it was nothing to worry about. That it was just going "to disappear".
    Talking about treatments that the medical community KNEW did not work.
     
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    “I also think by the end of the year we’ll have a vaccine. We’re doing very well. I just had a meeting yesterday. I think we’re going to have therapeutics, and I think we’re going to have cures. So we’re going to be in very good shape.” — Trump
     
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    Clearly about panic, as thats directly in his quote. The rest of your statement is just the narrative you choose to follow.
     
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    Covid has basically disappeared, no one cares anymore. So clearly he was correct.

    What treatments did he share that the medical community said didnt work?
     
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    Lying to people to "prevent panic" only works if you believe the dear leaders know best or if there is an existential threat. Only truth-hating, freedom-hating psychopaths like Trump and his most extreme followers think that the best way to run a country is to lie to the minions and keep them docile for their aristocratic leaders.
     
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    He suggested using bleach or something similar internally . . . which doesnt' work. He also lied about the threat posed. I guess none of those lives matter to you, though. They certainly don't matter to the dear leader. No life other than his, or maybe his daughter's does, but that's only because he wants to **** her.
     
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    Or if the leader isnt a scientist and people dont expect medical advice from said leader. His job wasnt to solve covid, lol. Chill on the rhetoric its just a waste of everyones time and no one wants to read your constant hissy fits.
     
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    No he didnt.

    Joe Biden: On COVID-19, Donald Trump said that “maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay.”

    PolitiFact’s ruling: Mostly False. Boom fact checked.

    Try again . I guess facts dont matter to you. Just repeating rachel maddow rhetoric.
     
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    He literally did. Listen to what he actually said instead of just pretending you can't watch a video while you blame your literacy failures on Maddow.
     
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    Wrong it was fact checked. Try better sources than rachel Maddow, shes leading you down a dangerous path of rhetoric devoid of logic and reasoning.
     
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    People hear only what they want to hear. Especially if they are so loyal to a political figure that they don't believe their "lyin' ears". Anybody who just listens to reality knows that, there is not only proof, it has been ADJUDICATED. You can, of course, always say that it was "The Deep State". But nobody who is not a MAGA fanatic pays much attention anymore. The old Conspiracy Theory has become stale...
     
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    Just because you aren't a scientist doesn't mean you have to lie about scientific facts. His job wasn't to lie about COVID and get more people killed. Chill on the rhetoric and maybe, MAYBE, MAYBE consider that some people think that rationality is more important than authority worship. And ask why it offends you that there some of us who believe that.
     
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    I've never quoted Maddow. I'm appealing to what Trump himself said. Which you have admitted you are unwilling to read because it challenges your dogma. There's no such thing as a Trump supporter who actually cares about logic or reasoning. No modern US politician has been more antagonistic against such concepts. Trump makes Maddow look like a founding father by comparison.
     
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    Thats just your hate-filled rhetoric. Why did you rely on Trump for your medical information?
     
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    I'm criticizing his statements. Please learn to read. I'm sorry that you think that only those who are "hate-filled" care about facts. I disagree.
     
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    Nope, fact checked and proven false. Sorry. Find a better source. I trust the fact checkers more than yard meat ;)

    Our ruling

    Biden said Trump said drinking bleach could help fight the coronavirus. Trump did not specifically recommend ingesting disinfectants, but he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body, such as the lungs. We rate Biden’s claim Mostly False.



    BOOM MIC DROP
     
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    Most of us went to CDC to get our data. You went to an untrained non medical professional. Thats on you. Sorry if you believed the fake news and injected bleach.
     
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    Hmmmm - so what is the underlying message there? Don’t bother doing anything now until we get these things in place. Mate there is a playbook. It is a well known and well thumbed playbook. But Trump was not listening because he did not want to crash the Stockmarket - and yes that is a consideration but it is not the only consideration. I will NEVER forgive Trump for Hydroxychloroquine. The original research was an in vitro study only and NO reputable medical body would have recommended its use. We may have run a couple of research groups on the basis if testing everything but Trumps insistence put an inordinate amount of focus on what was an outside and remote possibility. As a result trials were run that would not have been run and people died in those trials

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666634020300064
     
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    You have no concept what I'm talking about.
     

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