Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists

well now that biden is pushing race based hiring expect those numbers to get a lot higher! this proves nothing except for failed democratic leadership

 

A communist is not a fascist. They have different philosophies for having dictorial control.

The link below shows the difference between communism and fascism. Although both want centralized government, fascism believes in social Darwinism, uses traditional and/or exaggerated gender roles, and extreme nationalism. Communism believes in common ownership of goods and services, equality between genders and all people, and the dictatorship of the proletariat. But both belief in a planned economy. Not all dictators are fascists, but all fascists are dictators.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/C...unism is a system,by an all-powerful dictator.

 

Biden is not pushing raced-based hiring. He just wants everyone to have an equal chance at opportunity. Big difference.

However, the link does prove a point that Republican states are more than dependent on federal aid to help or at least attempt to, people of lesser economic opportunities.

 

Politicians do what they do - regardless of party.

What you don't seem to understand is that the leadership of both parties are the exact same species.

You can dig into the activities of any of them, and find they're all guilty of insider trading, and vote trading, and deal making to benefit the Establishment above them - whom they of course owe their positions to.

Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Ben Sass, Pat Toomey, the Cheney's, et al, are corrupt as the day is long.

But as bad as they are, they are nowhere near in the league of master criminals like the Clinton's, Bidens, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, et al.

"Profit" is a characteristic of the private sector - and we all work for profit. Everyone. You can't make a living without profit.

Somehow you seem to have wed the idea of profit with the workings of government. While at the same time assigning altruistic motives to half of the sausage makers, and nefarious motives to the other half.

That is absurd.

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Expenditures that you deem altruistic and for the good of the community always come at a cost - a huge cost.

Government is wildly inefficient and wasteful - time was when most everyone understood that. Over time, bureaucracies settle in and become ravenous depositories of public funds. Their purpose is to exist and grow - and that's it.

To ensure that funds keep coming, the workers in those bureaucracies support and donate to those politicians who support them - and the whole thing becomes an incestuous beast that cannot be controlled.

That is the nature of government.

If you think government bureaucracies exist to help anyone - you're beyond naive.

 

I dont know what you read but it wasn't my post.
I clearly said that both sides of your politics is out for making a profit, otherwise personally and in terms of power.
It was in response to the NAIVE accusation that only one side was guilty of this.
For centuries those who enter politics see it as an open conduit to making associations which are profitable AND using the power their position gives then.
I am quite aware of the way the world turns.
As an example, the UK has suffered an on/off cabinet minister who has just manipulated a seat in the cabinet for his business partner. No one knows him, he is unelected and inexperienced. I'll leave it to you to recognise the games going on here.

 

Indeed, Trump & Russia are like two peas in a pod. Recall, in preparation for the first impeachment of Trump, Pelosi said, "All roads lead to Russia." And of course we can't forget the Russia-Gate / Mueller report.

I think you'll like the following video. It's a great summary by Cenk Uygur (The Young Turks) of Trump's historic relationship with the Russians. Apparently Russian oligarchs saved Trump's butt from complete bankruptcy, which is when Trump became their indentured servant (willingly), serving the demands of Russian oligarchs & mobsters. It makes one curious about what Trump did with the missing secret documents at Mar-a-Lago, and why he stole the documents in the first place.

BOMBSHELL: Trump's Been Laundering Russian Mob Money For Decades, Allegedly

 

Both communists and a fascists are highly authoritarian, er, non-democratic. Both communists and fascists can be all powerful dictators. Both fascists and communists are bad guys.

Mussolini was a lefty and Hitler was a centrist. It's a fallacy to call all fascists righties since, for one, Mussolini was a lefty and Hitler was a centrist and two, the idea that all fascists are righties comes from the perspective of the communist and isn't absolute.

 

Hitler was not a centrist. No centrist commits genocide.
He was a bleedin' right wing sociopathic maniac.

 

Jim Crow laws- Democrats
Internment camps- Democrats
Slavery- Democrats
anti-suffrage- Democrats
Leper Colonies- Democrats
unConstitutional vaccine mandates- Democrats

A rich history of statist behavior; owned by the Democrat party

why isn't that taught in the public schools?

 

Because schools don't teach one legged opinionated information
L8ke the Democratic Party wasn't founded until 1854, years just 9 years before slavery was declared illegal.
What internment camps?
What Leper Colonies?
I hope your teachers didn't inform you of those.

 

i suggest that look up which party was responsible for those

It may do you good and open your eyes. Or, choose not to and continue blind loyalty to your Democrat party without knowing the rich history of statism

 

Look.
I quoted the dates which are correct.
LOOK THEM UP. The Democrat party started only 9 years before slavery was declared illegal. How can they be responsible for something that had been going on for hundreds of years before the party existed??
And where were these internment camps and Leper Colonies??
At least find facts to support your bias.

 

I am sorry if you are unfamiliar with the internment camps and which party was in charge at the time. The same for the leper colonies and what party was in charge

I will not educate you as it's obvious that you do not want to be educated. The Democrat party has been and continues to be statists. That is your party

 

Another mistake.
First you ignore fact.
Then you can't give any facts about internment camps and Leper Colonies let alone what part political parties played in them.
And third, you fail to understand THAT I HAVE NO AMERICAN POLITICAL ALLEGIANCE OR PARTY.
It isn't good enough to throw out accusations on behalf of ANY cause if they are lies.

 

Well, you obviously have a political allegiance - and that is with the political left.

Which necessarily would have you caucusing, if not outright camping, with the Democratic Party.

You can't have it both ways. You extoll "investing back into the community" as if that were a thing"; vilify Republicans for (the profit motive); and, then try to avoid defending any of that by saying you're a free agent??

You're a leftist, and as such you have to own the mess the left has created. Even if you don't walk in lockstep with the Dems, you still support them, and attack the Republicans.

It is what it is.

 

It certainly isn't what you said.
I dont live in the US and don't camp anywhere near the place. Nor do I have to OWN anything. It might surprise you to know that your internal nonsense has no effect on my life whatsoever, other than a regret that what used to be an honest, fair and ethical population is now riddled with those who are so in thrall to a conspiracy theory that it is destroying itself. And that their strings are being pulled by someone who is bouncing like a pinball from one law suit to another. Surely you can find someone better than that!
Maybe if you did I might support your side. Though it doesn't matter at all who I support. I just find your snowball fights pathetic.
Perhaps a reply less personal would prevent such mistakes.

 

If you read your second of your quotes it says BORH ideologies are seeking personal profit.
And then you skip my request for proof that Dems are responsible for leper colonies and internment camps, and ignore my objection to your claim that it supported slavery , by a simple fact of history and slide into a personal accusation to try yo shake off your inability to defend your silly claims.
Sorry but you don't do your Republican cause very much good.

 

Not having gone through the thread I'd point out that when people are equated with Nazis it is not the financial structure being referred to but rather the social one.
No matter what your financial philosophy may be if you are socially inclined to racial superiority or inferiority then you are a Nazi.

 

And because wist seem to like my posts enough to misread the, I can confidently tell you that I voted for a centrist party in France in the last election and primarily on what I perceive as problems that need fixing and on the various solutions each party offers.
I have NEVER voted for football or snowball teams on principle. I don't let party policy dictate which I should vote for if I don't agree. I don't cling to what someone else designs unless I agree with it.
Best to understand for yourself what is proposed and stop travelling with the herd.

 

Indeed that is the most important, but how they run the economy is an indication as to what label you attach to someone.

 

I've posted this on many occasions: That one desires to use capitalism to distribute goods and services has no bearing on the fascism of the individual. What does determine the fascist (or communist) is how authoritarian they are. Fascists and communists aren't pro-democracy, at least.

That right wingers are seen a bad is a public relations move against capitalism (probably instigated by socialists) and that right wingers are seen as bad isn't absolute but a perspective.

I mean, is your perspective that all right wingers are bad just as valid as the person who has red-green color blindness who says that the color red looks brown?? NO.

 

I forgot you're in France... which is worse, lol.

A "centrist" in France is still a leftist. As bad as America is getting, France is much worse across the board.

American leftists are trying to make America more like Europe, where government has much greater control of everything.

A freedom loving person wants nothing to do with being controlled by anyone.

Weak minded people on the other hand, want to be coddled by government. That is beyond naive and foolish.

 

If you weren't so ill informed and bigoted I wouldn't ignore what you said. Given the number of strikes, demonstrations and go slows I can assure you the people of France have always exercised their democracy in a most emphatic fashion.

 

I have no perspective that all right wingers are "bad". In fact I don't know what :bad" means in this context.
It is possible to exercise democracy in a communist state. Think of à private club owned and run by members. There has to be someone who coordinates and plans for the group.
The problem is that many communist regimes are indeed run by authoritarian leaders who manipulate the democratic potential often because they have the military or secret services doing their will. That is a failure of human rights.
If you want a simple model of communism, look to the kibbutz network or the communes that grew up in the US in the 60's and 70's. Theoretically they could work but they got interfered with by the state. And for other social problems. The US does not like people who do not conform.
Like any textbook ideology, real life is a mix of things that work best for that group of people, often the result of history.

 

There's more to this story than what right-wing extremist media will tell you.

It's part of the $4 billion debt relief program included in the American Rescue Plan Act, which would cancel qualifying farm loan debts owed by farmers of color to the Farm Service Agency under the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

Supporters of the program often point to how much more white farmers have received from the federal government in comparison to farmers of color. Take the federal government’s response to two recent crises: White farmers received nearly all of Trump’s payments to compensate farmers during his administration’s trade war with China. And according to legal filings, white farmers disproportionately benefited from the $9.2 billion farmers received through the USDA’s first Coronavirus Food Assistance Program.


“We have systems that over-invest in policies that benefit whites and disinvest in people of color,” said Cashin, author of “White Space, Black Hood: Opportunity Hoarding and Segregation in the Age of Inequality.” “These programs are worth fighting for if we’re going to have real racial equity.”

Although designed to mitigate the effects of discriminatory practices which have long hurt non-white/minority farmers, many supporters (including black supporters) felt the wording in the provision was too race-oriented and should instead directly target discrimination.

But legal experts and advocates say there’s a colorblind way forward, by narrowly defining beneficiaries or focusing policies on the pattern of discrimination rather the race of farmers.

Advocates for Black farmers want Congress to alter the definition of farmers who are eligible for debt relief by removing race from the criteria. Instead, eligibility would be determined by whether the farmer filed a discrimination complaint with the USDA, has been eligible for a federal court certified class based on discrimination, which would cover Black and Native American farmers, or could show they were subject to specific mistreatment.

“If we don’t change the definition, farmers won’t be getting debt relief,” said Lloyd Wright, a farmer and former director of the USDA Office of Civil Rights, 1997-98.

Another potential solution is a bill introduced by U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY). It would provide one-time debt forgiveness of up to $250,000 to nearly 40,000 small farmers. Eligible farms would have an average adjusted gross income of up to $300,000 for the previous five years.

The wording of the original provision thus incited lawsuits by white farmers. One notable figure involved who is helping this push is none other than white supremacist & former senior advisor for policy and White House director of speechwriting to then-President Trump, Stephen Miller.

Stephen Miller along with other former senior Trump administration officials are behind a newly created legal group representing one of the plaintiffs: Texas Agriculture Commissioner and rancher Sid Miller.


Other legal groups representing plaintiffs are the Pacific Legal Foundation, who has opposed affirmative action policies, and the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, which is representing about a dozen white farmers. Judges paused the program and allowed a class action suit to proceed.

Congress has since made changes to the wording of the provision.

Congress has quietly replaced a farm loan assistance program for racial minorities that was under threat from White farmers’ legal challenges.

The new provision no longer mentions race. Instead, it provides loan relief for distressed borrowers and additional aid for farmers, ranchers, and foresters who have experienced discrimination. The change comes after White farmers claimed the program, established by the 2021 American Rescue Plan, discriminated against them by specifying that loan assistance was available only for socially disadvantaged groups.

Supporters of the pivot — including some Black lawmakers — say the workaround is more legally airtight and will quickly get aid to the groups that need it. Yet some Black farmers are concerned it’s just another example of the Agriculture Department leaving them behind after generations of discrimination that made it more difficult — and at times impossible — for them to get loans.

Still, there could be potential issues even if the revised provision passes.

Boyd said he’s concerned this funding could be used up by other farmers, such as White women.

That scenario seems plausible to Cesar Escalante, a professor of agricultural and applied economics at the University of Georgia. Compiling and submitting evidence of discrimination have been challenges for Black farmers in the past for reasons including lack of access to documents and computer literacy, Escalante said.

“So even if more racial minority farmers are victims of discrimination, not a majority of them can argue and prove their case,” Escalante said. “But more female farmers could, even if their absolute number is lower than victims from certain racial minority groups.”

And...

“When you put Black farmers in with everybody, we come up last based on all the numbers and all the history,” said John Boyd Jr., president of the National Black Farmers Association.

Sources:
* https://publicintegrity.org/inside-.../bidens-racial-equity-black-farmers-of-color/
* https://news.bloomberglaw.com/socia...n-race-based-loan-relief-as-white-farmers-sue
* https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...l-of-support-for-black-farmers-301602971.html

Nothing that the right-wing media claimed did she say, nor meant.
In speaking with the interviewer from India, Harris was pointing to the impact of natural disasters on low-income communities around the world. She stated:

[...] the disparities issue you have described, rightly. [...] it is our lowest-income communities and communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions, and impacted by issues that are not of their own making.
So, we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding that not everybody starts out at the same place.