Your posts are disgusting. Sadly, there are too many people with your reprehensible Left Wing views in modern Scotland.
Spain broke the status quo when it broke EU freedom of movement laws by holding people for an unnecessary length of time at the Gibraltar-Spain border. As I've already said, Gibraltar has every right to put an artificial reef in its own waters - an artificial reef which Gibraltar constructed with the support of Greenpeace, no less - and the fact that Spain has has hundreds of such reefs along its own coast is just showing to the world how completely and utterly breathtakingly and astoundingly hypocritical and arrogant it is being. It's pointless showing me a map from 1930. That was BEFORE the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) came into effect which gave Gibraltar the right to have its own waters. In fact, according to UNCLOS, not only is Gibraltar perfectly entitled to claim its own waters, but Gibraltarean waters are not as big as they could possibly be, and there are still areas of sea around Gibraltar which Gibraltar could legally annex. Gibraltar could perfectly legally make BIGGER it territorial waters. Not only that, but UNCLOS states that The Treaty of Utrecht is totally irrelevant to the legal effect of UNCLOS, so now is the time for you to stop saying that Gibraltar is not entitled to her own waters under Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht, because the Treaty of Utrecht is irrelevant in this matter. Under the Convention Gibraltar generates its own "Territorial Sea" of 12 nautical miles, or out to median lines where other states’ coastlines are under 24 nautical miles distant from Gibraltar. This is the current position to the North West and South, but not to the East/South East, because, although Spain and Morocco each have claimed the 12 nautical miles of the Convention (although Spain refuses to accept part of Morocco’s calculation of the median line to the West) Gibraltar has not yet extended its legal jurisdiction from 3 to 12 miles, so part of the waters to the East/South East remain international waters, though it is open to Gibraltar to annex these waters to its jurisdiction in accordance with its rights under the U.N. Convention. Summary of the correct position is as follows: - (1) The 1958 Convention on the Territorial Seas and Contiguous Zone has been applied to Gibraltar. It provides (Article 1) that the Sovereignty of a State extends beyond its land territory to a belt of sea adjacent to its coast. Spain did not enter any reservation to the above, such as would relieve her of the legal effects of this provision. The Treaty of Utrecht is totally irrelevant to the legal effect of the 1958 Convention. (2) Accordingly, British Sovereignty of Gibraltar's "land territory" entitles it to Sovereignty of "a sea belt adjacent to its coast." Britain has declared 3 miles. (3) The United Nations Law of the Sea Convention of 1982 has been extended to Gibraltar. It provides (Article 3) that every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea upto a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles. The 3 miles declared by Britain is thus squarely within the entitlement bestowed by the Convention. Spain has not entered a reservation to the above, and indeed she was precluded from doing so by the terms of the 1982 Convention (Article 309) itself. (4) Spain did make statements and declarations but, Article 310 of the 1982 Convention makes it clear that such statements and declarations cannot exclude or modify the legal effect of the provisions of the Convention in their application to Spain. (5) Accordingly, by virtue of these Conventions the UK has a treaty right to territorial waters in Gibraltar not exceeding 12 miles. The UK has declared 3 miles. Spain’s statements and declarations have no legal effect in altering this position. Her political assertions to the contrary are thus unsustainable in international law, which is what the Chief Minister said to the Foreign Affairs Committee. http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.htm The reef is in Gibraltarean waters, not some neutral zone. Here's a map of Gibraltar's waters. And as you can also see on the map, Gibraltar is perfectly entitled, at any time, to INCREASE its territorial waters to the east and south east: And here's a map of the reef. As you can see, it's very much in Gibraltarean waters: You're completely ignorant of reality. Under UNCLOS, as explained above, Gibraltar already has its own waters which are actually not as big as they could be. Under UNCLOS, Gibraltar is actually perfectly entitled to INCREASE IN SIZE its waters to the east and south east. I'd love to see the look on your face should Gibraltar decide to do just that. Spanish ships have been shooting at British citizens inside British Gibraltarean waters. Just earlier this year a Spanish vessel fired four shots at a British civilian jet skier in Gibraltarean waters, an incident which left him shaken and angered. There's a big difference between shooting at unarmed innocent civilians and shooting at a flag: Britain was plunged into a diplomatic crisis over Gibraltar last night after Spanish police fired shots at a British jet-skier in waters around the Rock. In an extraordinary incident, a boat from Spain’s Guardia Civil entered Gibraltan waters and took potshots at 32-year-old Dale Villa as he rode his jet-ski close to a popular beach. Mr Villa is not wanted for any particular crime and is not thought to have strayed out of British waters into Spanish territory – although the line between the two is far from clear to people in the sea. Foreign Office minister David Lidington condemned the shooting as ‘completely unacceptable’ and called on Spain to take action against those responsible. He said he had confronted his Spanish counterpart Inigo Mendez de Vigo yesterday to protest ‘in the strongest possible terms’. Mr Lidington added: ‘I made it clear that the discharge of a weapon in or near Gibraltar is completely unacceptable. I urged Mr Mendez de Vigo to investigate urgently and to take action to ensure this will not happen again.’ Father-of-three Mr Villa described how he had been fired at on two separate occasions as he tested his new jet-ski with family and friends on Sunday afternoon. ‘I was very shaken and furious,’ said the delivery driver. ‘When a huge boat is hurling after you and you hear gunshots it is very scary. There were three policemen on the boat and I actually saw one of them with a gun in his hand. I was just about to drop my friend off at West Beach when I heard the first shot. ‘I don’t really think we took it seriously or believed it could be a gun, but clearly it was. ‘I jumped back on again and whizzed off before realising the boat was chasing after me and had soon fired three more shots at me. ‘I had only just taken my friend’s ten-year-old daughter out for a spin and was about to pick up her grandmother so we were not being threatening or doing anything wrong. ‘Maybe these guys were bored – it being a Sunday – but I really hope something is going to be done about it, as it is outrageous.’ Shots can be heard on a grainy video filmed by a witness. British sources said it was thought the Spanish police fired rubber bullets at the man. Witness Simy Herbert described the Guardia Civil as ‘trigger-happy’, adding: ‘The Foreign Office has to do something now because when someone is shot in our waters then everybody will start flapping.’ The UK’s charge d’affaires in Madrid was also despatched to make direct representations to ministers in the Spanish capital. The incident is believed to have been witnessed by an off-duty officer from the Royal Gibraltar Police, which has launched a formal investigation. But a spokesman for Spain’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said ‘no incident’ had taken place’ and ‘no shot fired’. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-use-force-British-waters.html#ixzz2dwFdHPKw There will be VERY serious consequences for Spain if its continues to shoot at innocent British civilians in British Gibraltarean waters. There will come a time when Britain will take it no more and Spain will regret it ever doing it. And yet its English teams which have dominated the Champions League over the last ten years, not Spanish teams. And don't tell me how "great" Spain is. Spain is a bankrupted, failed, jobless state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovial#Ownership The richest man in Europe is French, not Spanish. And it was Britain, of course, which INVENTED the railways. And despite Britain being only half the size of Spain, it has a longer rail network than Spain, with 20% more train services than France, 60% more than Italy, and more than Spain, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Portugal and Norway combined. In fact, the British rail network is the fifth most used in the world. Britain already has high-speed rail, and is about to build more high speed rail lines. Spain is a failed state. Very much so. Certainly economically. The world's oldest diplomatic corps is that of the Vatican. The world's oldest police force is London's Metropolitan Police. The first professional army in history was that of Sparta. Well try reading a few then. Because, as I can see full well, you're not very well informed.
As a temporary measure until Spain accepts it as British territorial waters. It's a little difficult to negotiate if Spain consistently tries to provoke Britain and Gib. It would also score quite a few political points. If Spain accepts then they cannot harass Gib if not then they lose face on the world stage. But naturally I reaffirm my previous position that if Spain does not wish to negotiate regarding the waters in question then it would only be fair to forcibly defend those waters. Hopefully this should not be the case.
The UK may not actually be aware. Yes generally speaking the education system in the UK is pretty bad. Not malfunctioning, just badly conceived and poorly executed. Considering the needs of hospitals to attract nurses and other health workers. Yes there are going to be some bad apples so to speak. I agree. But Spain will have to promise that it will not harass Gib or threaten British citizens. I believe Sixteen String Jack has provided something that will substantiate my statement. Is it possible that the Guardia Civil may of omitted some information?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/16/syria-bashar-assad-vows-display-mercenaries http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/16/april-jones-accused-mercenary-africa http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/11/anti-piracy-arms-trade-somali-pirates A very nasty mouth you have, but perhaps it's. your bias is so ingrained with the lack of education it's not your fault. Your a product of your environment. Have a nice day. Highlander
You say this, you as a Tory, then if that's your standards I wish to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have always been brought up as a humanist, you on the other hand have not. I'm proud that you understand the Important differences between your nation and mine, hence our need to make our own decisions and need for our own referendum. Thank you best regards Highlander
Your first is a report in teh gaurdian that ASSAD claims there is mercenaries. The Guardian does not report that there are mercenaries The second is abouit mercenaries in f@cking Angola nowehere near Syria the last is about Somalia You have produced no evidence whatsoever that there are british mercenaries in Syria
Oooooh ....... have I offended thee.............! Your tory credentials are showing! Ooh.....thats right,, torys are fascists! That is a fact of life! That's why we'd be tory free is it wasn't for the English top up system forced upon the Scottish nation, by westminister! A humanist nation. Have a nice life, enjoy your servitude. Highlander
Do you suppose, being lacking in the logic necessary to come to a conclusion, that your English parasitic bodies wouldn't and couldn't send mercenaries to other countries?? Waken up and smell the coffee. Highlander
How many times do I have to tell you. If you're not going to talk about the Anglo-Spanish dispute regarding Gibraltar then don't bother posting, go somewhere else. It's really unfair on everyone else. I'm going to report the both of you for derailment if this continues.
My humble apologies. I have taken exception to my behavior and will in future ignore the fascist. Kind regards Highlander
And I accept your apologies in the good grace in which it is given and am happy that you're willing to refrain from unintentional derailment. As I hope and trust that the other poster is willing to do likewise Please feel free to add to the debate at your discretion.
Sixteen, No, no, no, UNCLOS doesn´t give sovereignty to none... Neutral zone is (and has never been) not British and therefore can´t have territorial waters in an area that has never belonged (not even in Ownership) to Great Britain.. The blocks must be remove from an area that is not British. UNCLOS say nothing about Sovereignty... It´s never said that Gibraltar is British or still worst, Neutral Zone is british... and therefore... if Neutral Zone isn´t british... It´s absolutely impossible to have territorial waters in a Neutral Zone. It´s very easey There is not british waters in Algeciras Bay... Of course, by bilateral negotiation could be established.. but never in Neutral Zone. FALSE. It is in Neutral Zone ocuppied by GB in 1938 during the SCW. I think It´s just a journalistic set-up funded by local authorities. This article isn´t confirmed by other sources. .nor Spanish, nor neutral not even other British papers or records...Pure set-up paid by Pichardo... On the other hand, very coarse. Spain doesn´t need to use weapons to wreck the economy of Gibraltar. It´s a set-up. But, by other said, I´ve already told you. Threats don´t work. History shows that both Britain and Spain didn´t ever yield to threats. As you can imagine, life in Gibraltar could be something like uncomfortable if Spain take some steps that, at present, nobody wants. 0.- Imposition of a green payment to cross the bars: 50 euros to go in/out Spain each time. Second Level: 1.- The close of bars: according to law (Utrecht, Article X). From that moment, nobody could cross the line; if someone wanted to go from Gibraltar to La Linea ought to go from Gibraltar Tangier Ceuta Malaga La Linea. Consequences: Gibraltar lost their sales and increase the unemployment in La Linea. 2.- Shutdown the telephone, fiber optic and high speed data lines given by Spain to Gibraltar in Zapatero´s Time. The british should put them (via Satellite)... very very expensive for the british taxpayer. It wouldn´t allow the installation of British cables into spanish waters. Consequences: Online gambling business reduction or end. There are further leves, but I think these three measures would be the begining. It can´t be accepted Fait Accompli policies... The measures would last until It´s turned back to the previous Status Quo. Onoher measures: Third Level measures: 3.- Closing of Gibraltar´s Airport (Like in the seventies): The closing of Spanish Airspace to every airplane in route to or from Gibraltar. Absolute ban to use the Spanish Airspace to the airplanes in take off/land from Gibraltar. It´be respected the Vertical Air Space of Gibraltar, but wouldn´t allowed the aircrafts transit through Spanish Airspace. It´s impossible to land/take off in Gibraltar without going into the said space. 4.- Exhaustive maritime controls for boats, cargo ships, container, tankers, cruisers etc etc bound to Gibraltar if they cross Spanish territorial waters. Fourth Level Measures: (a series of mesaures concerning nearly 7,000 Gibraltar settlers, are living in Spain and their properties). Fifth Level Measures (concerning to Spanish companies trade with companies whose residence is in Gibraltar). Sixth Level Measures (concerning to Companies resident in Gibraltar and the ban of trade with Spain).. includes a ban on mooring in Spanish ports to vessels licensed in Gibraltar. Seven Level Measures (Only if (after a time) Gibraltar continues in his position not remove the blocks). It´s about electronic measures Eight Level Measures: (Only if (after more time) Gibraltar continues in his position not remove the blocks). It´s about acoustics measures. . Nine Level Measures: : (Only if (after more time) Gibraltar continues in his position not remove the blocks). It´s about Third parties on trade with Gibraltar that must cross through Spanish waters. Spain doesn´t need violence to punish Gibraltar. On the other hand, Gibraltar need such a violence. But what do you say? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_finals Spain: 13 winners and 9 runners-up UK: 13 winners and 8 runners-up. By Club: Real Madrid: 9 winners FC Barcelona: 4 winners Liverpool: 5 winners From XXI century: Spain 5 winners, UK: 3 winners Spain won in 2000, 2002, 2006, 2009, 2011 UK won in 2005, 2008 and 2012. FALSE. Spain is not in bankrupted... and would like to britons... but not... Bankruptcy is Greece, Portugal and Ireland .. but Spain, despite British newspapers attempts to discredit ... Not....I think it´s a clear example how they still haven´t get the trauma over. Like everybody can read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_billionaires http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/ It´s funny. The richest french is in 9th position... Spaniard is 3rd..and the 1st in Europe. Vatican (Pope´s States) had non permanent legacies and only about spiritual matters. It is not the samen than a modern embassy representing a kingdom in another one. http://www.ediplomat.com/nd/history.htm A Brief History of Diplomacy Global Portal for Diplomats Spain was the first to send a permanent representative when it appointed an ambassador to the Court of England in 1487. The older embassy in the world is the Spanish Embassy... and the place: London. I don´t kno why the Catholic Monarchs put their embassy in London and not in Rome, Brussels, Vienna ...but the facts are facts: Spain and London. Nationalism did not exist in the XV-XVIII.. It is logic Spain´s Diplomatic Corps, Police, Professional Army, Navy, Administration etc are the oldest because Spain was (by the Catholic Monarchs, Isabel and Fernando (by the way, Isabel´s mother was english) the first modern state in world.. Is It a Joke or you´re speaking in serious? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police http://spainillustrated.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/santa-hermandad-la-primera-policia.html As one of their first acts after end of the War of the Castilian Succession in 1479, Ferdinand and Isabella established the centrally organized and efficient Holy Brotherhood (Santa Hermandad) as a national police force. They adapted an existing brotherhood to the purpose of a general police acting under officials appointed by themselves, and endowed with great powers of summary jurisdiction even in capital cases. The original brotherhoods continued to serve as modest local police-units until their final suppression in 1835. Sparta not even was professional but conscript, defending a city (Polis) and a diarchy (form of government unique in history). Spanish army was the first professional, not based on mercenary soldiers but received a pay and defending a state. Pro consul I find it very strange to believe, neither I think the British police omitted that kind of information. I would prefer to read official records from Spain and UK than articles in Newspapers... Regards.
He does have a point. The type of police that you've mentioned were common to all medieval kingdoms. Curiously though both Spain & Britain or rather England have the earliest examples of constabularies. But the first modern police force was that of the Bow street runners who were established in the late 18th cent and then later the London metropolitan. Conscripted or not they were professional as they spent their lives dedicated to war and of course leaving the Helots to do the farming. Technically the first standing army in Europe was that of the janissary corps of the Ottoman empire. Although if you compare modern armies to those of the past then the earliest example that matches the criteria would be the Carolean's formed by Charles XI of Sweden. Well apparently it was witnessed by an off-duty officer. But we do have a video that shows that a Guardia Civil boat was present as well as the jet ski itself. Also the foreign office had issued a statement regarding the shooting so it must of been reported by an official source.
You're bringing the Treaty of Utrecht into it again. As I've pointed out, the Treaty of Utrecht has NO bearing whatsoever on UNCLOS. By the way, Gibraltar is British; it has been since 1704; and it will be forevermore, according to the Treaty of Utrecht. As I've shown you in the maps, the blocks are in British Gibraltarean waters, and placed them there with the support of Greenpeace. I'll tell you what UNCLOS has said - it's said that Gibraltar is entitled to its own waters, and has granted them to it. And there's NOTHING Spain can do about it. It can go crying to UNCLOS about what it supposedly says or doesn't say in Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht - but UNCLOS will just tell Spain to get stuffed because the Treaty of Utrecht has no bearing on UNCLOS whatsoever. It's in Gibraltarean waters. A Spanish ship shot at a British citizen in British waters. If it happens again it won't go unpunished. Spain will yield when Britain sends warships and troops down there. Spain will be in big trouble if it deliberately makes life uncomfortable for the people of Gibraltar. Second Level: And Spain would be breaking EU law. Spain would be breaking EU freedom of movement laws. Consequences: Spain severely punished by the EU and Britain. Spain didn't give any of those to Gibraltar. The first telephones were introduced to Gibraltar in 1886 by a private company which was later taken over by the colonial authorities. Since 1926, the telephone service was operated by the City Council. Upon the approval of the 1969 Constitution and the dissolution of the City Council, the telephone service was transferred to the newly formed Government of Gibraltar. And you can list so-called "impositions" that Spain can impose upon Gibraltar. But Spain doing such a thing would be suicidal. It just wouldn't be able to get away with it, just as it wouldn't be able to get away with it if it did the same to Portugal or to France. And why would Spain want to punish Gibraltar? Just because it would rather be a part of Britain rather than a Second World country with a Third World economy? Manchester United won it in 1999. And when you look at the number of times that English teams have reached the latter stages of the Champions League over the last ten years or so you will see that English teams dominate. Between 2005 and 2009 England provided nine of the 16 Champions League semi-finalists, five of the eight finalists and two of the winners. Spain, in the same period, yielded just three semi-finalists, Italy two and the Netherlands one. Over the last ten years three different English teams have won the Champions League - Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea - but only two different Spanish teams have won it - Real Madrid and Barcelona. Spain is bankrupt, economically and politically. Even the IMF said so in May. That's why Spain is now sabre-ratlting over Gibraltar, to deflect its people's attentions away from the troubles of its Third World economy, just as Argentina does over the falklands every time it has its periodic economic troubles. http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/read-between-lines-imf-admits-spain-is.html Europe's richest man is Bernard Arnault, a Frenchman - http://www.therichest.com/nation/richest-people-in-europe/ If by "diplomatic service" is meant a body of representatives of a government permanently posted abroad to foster relations with the government of their residence, and not merely sent on particular missions, the diplomatic service of the Holy See is the oldest now in existence. The earliest was that of the Republic of Venice. Only under Henry VII of England (1456–1509) did that country begin to make use of permanent embassies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Diplomatic_Corps England was a Catholic country in 1487. So you're trying to tell me that Spain had "police" in the Middle Ages? Well England had police BEFORE that. Anglo-Saxon England had constables enforcing the law. The oldest actual police force, though, is London's Metropolitan Police, founded in 1829, which is also the second largest police force in the world after the NYPD. The Spartan Army was one of the earliest known professional armies. Boys were sent to a barracks at the age of seven to train for being a soldier. At the age of thirty they were released from the barracks and allowed to marry and have a family. After that, men devoted their lives to war until their retirement at the age of 60. Unlike other civilizations, whose armies had to disband during the planting and harvest seasons, the Spartan serfs or helots, did the manual labor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army#Sparta
PRO CONSUL The Santa Hermandad was paid by the councils and had functions throughout the Kingdom in pursuit of crime and cooperation with justice...like the police in 2013. Yes, in this point of view. But I think we confuse quality and professionalism. There are high quality conscript armies (Sparta, Rome, Turkey, France, Austria, Russia, Germany etc) and conscript armies of “less” quality... There were high quality professional armies (Spain, Britain etc) and others of less quality. Sparta was a great conscript Army. The Spanish Army was the first to be a standing army formed by volunteers that received a monthly salary. Their soliders were professionally dedicated to the Army. The Janissaries are a military unit, not a regular army. They were formed by Christian slaves captured in childhood or sold to the Sultan .. nothing to do with we can understand like a professional army. The Spanish army was fully professional: infantry, cavalry, artillery, quartermaster, etc.etc. Formed by volunteers serving the King. Sometimes they became a year without receive the wage and there were riots, but never deserted or defected to other king´s or prince´s army, because they were not mercenaries, (unlike the mercenaries units served to France or to the Empire), but professional soldiers. I don´t think so, Charles XI is later to the Spanish Army´s period. A standing army, paid and voluntary basis. A profession. (The profession of Arms) Spain was the first modern state in Europe (small Italian cities was too small to compare to the more complex organization of the Spanish Monarchy), established an army, a diplomatic corps, a police force and legal-policies relations (the Authoritarian Monarchy prior to any country feudal era). The Machiavelli's Prince is a Spanish King Ferdinand. Regards.
UNCLOS says nothing about sovereignty ... of course, Gibraltar is british queen´s ownership since 1713 .. not before. I remember that Gibraltar was taken in a civil war on behalf of the King of Spain and with the flag of Spain. FALSE. It´s in Spanish Waters (Neutral Zone). FALSE. It´s in Spanish Waters (Neutral Zone). settlers from Gibraltar are the only to use the violence, running over by car the policemen... Spain won´t never yield .. because Threats never worked in Spain. But send them and we´ll see. Big trouble would be the Gibraltar settlers unable to cross to Spain. Without airport and without telephones (only Via Satellite, very expensive)... without Gambling business and with vere slow comunications by sea. Gibraltar would be in trouble from the moment the bars is closed, the Spanish airspace and territorial waters are close. Really an unpleasant situation. FALSE. Portugal use a fee for using their roads. Spain will do the same. Who wants to cross the bars, ought to pay 50 Euros to use the Spanish road or sidewalk. 50 euros by person.. . Gibraltar is not member of the Schengen Area Please... Is this a humour forum? Franco used theses measures, closed bars, closed Airspace etc etc... and was "severely punished"...Don´t make me laugh! Gibraltar was closed by air and by land... and... yes... he was "severely punished"....Spain was invaded by Lizzards-Tourists eager from Sun and Beach... millions britisth tourist were in Malaga, Canary, Ibiza, etc etc while Gibraltar was closed (from 1969 to 1982/85).. Yes, the British "punished" to Spain, leaving their money in it. FALSE. http://www.lalineadigital.es/2010/1...altar-discurre-por-la-linea-de-la-concepcion/ The fiber optic cable passes through spanish land... Spain can cut it. That means.. "bye bye" to the Online gambling game http://www.elconfidencial.com/espan...-gibraltar-las-concesiones-de-zapatero_15244/ Declaración de Córdoba, España "concedió" a Gibraltar la conexión de 60.000 líneas telefónicas, que atraviesan el municipio de La Línea de la Concepción, (Spain gave Gibraltar 60,000 telephone lines). Spain can cut the wires, cables etc that pass through its territory or territorial waters. Gibraltar would be able only to communicate via satellite (money, money, money) On the contrary. Suicide is not do it. Suicide is enabling these thieves to steal what is not theirs. Remove the block and crisis is over. Very easy: Because Spain doesn´t admit Fait accomplit politics, Remove the concrete blocks and come back the fishers again and all will be over. Spain can strike very hard the Gibraltar economy and communications. Eye by eye, tooth by tooth. No doubt, you´re thinking in Little Britain Not true.the british banks are in bankrupt and have been saved by the British government... False. That´s why Gibraltar has broken the Status Quo, because they think Spain is weak now. It wrong and fail as many others. Your link is from 2012. The mine one is Forbes 2013.. The Spaniard is the richest man in Europe. Like all european west countries.. But It was more important Vienna, Brussels, Venezia, Lisboa or Rome than London. So it didn´t understandable that embassy in a poor and dirty city like It was London in 1487. Bye,
Hmm I don't know about that. I mean they had their own judges and were allowed to tax locals during crusades or wars so it seems to me that it could be classed as peacekeeping militia. But you could say that it was first sign of a police force in Europe if we exclude the constabularies. Well Spartan conscription became part of their culture so it could be said that they were just as voluntary. I've little doubt that Spain did form the first European standing army. During peacetime they were the army but obviously during war they would order up the levies and anybody else who wanted to go to war. Originally yes they did conscript children who were educated and later paid. But over a short time this became something that was aspired to rather than feared and was seen by many as a prestigious group. Yes I know I mentioned them because they broke with continental tradition as they were prevented from collecting taxes and had a penal code. I believe that this is closer to the military of today. I hate to say it but it kind of went downhill from the 18th century. Yes I do agree that Spain was the premier power during the latter middle ages and through the renaissance period. Anyway I think were getting sidetracked here.
Pro consul No, It wasn´t in 18th Century... It was in 19th Century, after the war against Napoleon. Till 1815/20 Spain was a great Power...from that time, downhill..In the eighteenth century Spain achieved great military victories and defended very well its empire from British attacks (which were unable to do France and the Netherlands, for example). Mayor value when France had more industries and almost three times the population of Spain. The biggest defeats for British in the colonial campaigns weren´t against french or dutch. Spain went downhill from 1808 but till 1815/20 was a great Power. I think actually neither Gibraltar nor UK are Spain´s enemies ... the main spanish problems are: the economic crisis, political parasitic oligarchy, Islam and the inner enemy: totalitarian nationalism. Nobody in Spain (except a minority) is interested in the Rock ... yes, they just want to fish. I have always maintained (in Spanish forums) British right to have the rock (since 10 years ago when I started writing) ... but it is also true that I don`t think that Spain should tolerate fait accompli policies or allow Gibraltar to steal the right to fishermen ... if it´s necessary close the bars, it should be close, or close the airspace or cut off the cables in Spanish ground .. One day, one year, one century... until Gibraltar again allow to come back the fishermen. .However, I think Rajoy and Cameron reach a practical agreement. It is logical that the institutions established in the Modern Age, the Spanish one are the oldest as those created by the Industrial Revolution, the oldest are the British. I don´t like to see the History under a nationalist optical ... Spain established its hegemony in the world and aftewards, UK became the same ... both have a glorious past, an uncertain present and a black future. One of them stopped playing at being an Empire, years ago, the other still thought It´s an Empire. but only deceives itself... The wind of the future doesn´t blow in its direction..Others (in XXI Century) are destined to dominate the world... and also drink tea...But don´t play Cricket. Like you, I also think that the UK should leave the European Union. I hope that the Eurosceptics win the referendum and GB ceases to belong to the EU. Regards.
Spain was not any soprt of great power after 1700 but a backwater. You have just become a rather tedious ranter wankinmg on about how tough your corrupt government is lying whenever facts don;t meet you need to strutt about
You're right. I was not really thinking at the time of writing. Well ultimately it all comes down to money. I have heard of these problems from many Spaniards. Quite a few seem to think that there will be a repeat of the situation in 1936. And the Gibraltar crisis seems to be more of a distraction than a serious grievance not to say that there is not some degree of validity. And like you I do hope for an agreement that will permanently stop this silliness. My big passion is for history but I hate the fact that some people abuse it for current affairs. Like I say "if you stay too long in the past then that's exactly where you'll stay" Our politicians seem to follow to US way of thinking of "lets spread democracy to the world" Cricket is really quite a leisurely game. It's not commonly played for the adrenaline factor. Absolutely. I think we put in far too much for too little. And we should not sign our right to determine our laws and borders and even the way in which we do business. For those items alone, I consider the EU to be a tyrannical organisation.
Yeahhh, It was a great power till 1820.. in fact, in XVIII remained like the greater Empire in the World and enough powerful to keep the british at bay.. In XVIII Century till early XIX century, the british seized the French empire (India, Quebec), the Dutch Empire (Kaapstad, 1806)...but the issue didn´t fare so well against the Spanish Empire. It´s better to be tedious than ignorant or intoxicated by gin or Newspapers... About british corruption, you ca read: Corruption in the UK: Overview & Policy Recommendations http://www.transparency.org.uk/our-...-in-the-uk--overview-&-policy-recommendations You can read the british corruption in Police, National Health Service (NHS), prison service or City of London Corporation... Have you ever heard about Profumo Affair? http://www.transparency.org.uk/our-...-the-uk--part-two---assessment-of-key-sectors If Drink Gin...Don´t drive, sorry, Don´t write... Bye.
You are right again...In Spain 2013, there are a demagogic left, together a totalitarian nationalism and a cowardly and complexed right. As in 1936, the left wants to rule without respecting the law, constitution etc.Democracy means accepting the rules and abide by them ...Left doesn´t accept.. like in 1936, better to say like in 1931 - 1936 for the left democracy is only when it wins the elections... Right never has the "right" to govern, no matter if it wins the election...Britain may be corrupt or not, but it is an example of democracy (I think the best example is USA) Right too. the problem is when it distorts the past to gain social control in the present. Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” . Yeah, But It is impossible to extend the Democraci if it doesnt´exist previously democratic societies ... therefore the absolute American efforts failure in Africa or Asia. (Irak, Libia, Egypt, Afghanistan etc etc)....Chinese maybe are more dangerous, but infinitely smarter. Me too, and beside a bureaucratic institution, a vampire thirsty for public money. Inmoral subsidize and others money to the Glory of France´s "grandeur" and the IV Reich ... Regard
I don;t drink alcohol thanks http://www.transparency.org.uk/our-...-in-the-uk--overview-&-policy-recommendations You haven't read it have you What has the profumo affair to do with corruption. Go on give us a laugh and show your ignorance and make up stuff about something that has nopthing to do with corruption Ah transpaerency international. Lets have a look at their index: hhttp://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/2012_TI_CPI/$FILE/2012%20TI%20CPI.pdf Uk is at number 17 in the world grouped with Japan Germany and Belgium. Not quite up with Denmark Finland and new zealand but respectably pplaced all teh same in the top 10% of the world Now spain: Behind Qatar, United Arab Emirates, cyprus and Botswana but you beat that bastion of Open government Bhutan by a whole 2 points IS that supposed to be funny?
