Startling revelations in the new Woodward-Costa book

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  1. fmw

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    You spent a lot of time trying to indicate that the federal government publicly views China as a military enemy. But you just threw out unrelated things that failed to indicate anything. I am not an expert at the military justice system and I'm pretty sure you aren't either. So we end up with opposing opinions.
     
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    I can't stop you from being unglued about everything Trump, but I can ignore it.
     
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    • Well, how about another choice. You can side wit Benedict Donald and the January 6 the insurrectionists or you can side with the Constitution take YOUR pick.
     
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    You didn't pick a side to my post -- LOL. But I will to your post -- I am against the Jan 6 riot and for the Constitution. Now I'm waiting for you to pick Milley or the Constitution . . .
     
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    Or called mentally incapacitated tRump knowing more than anyone ... again.
     
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    Show me the clause Milley violated?
     
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    LOL -- You're as shifty as a 10-speed transmission.
     
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    I will always pick the greatest document ever written by man for mankind, our Constitution, over ANYTHING. But you still have to show how General Milley violated it.

    I used to race bikes, I was pretty good at it. My last bike had 18 gears. 8)
     
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    This is just more of the silly Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy fiction. People like you hate Trump, so you invent absurd scenarios that you envision he was capable of doing.

    Trump was the first president in forty years to NOT start a new war or conflict. And yet you pretend the opposite is true, and Trump was some kind of war monger who Miley had to keep on a short leash.
     
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    If Miley did in fact tell the Chinese that he'd warn them if the US was going to launch any attack against them, then he offered aid and comfort to our enemy.
     
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    There are multiple reports that tRump was manic during his last days in office.
     
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    I would argue that"aid and comfort" was not Milley's intent.
     
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    Geez, telling the Chinese he will give them advanced warning is aid and comfort. There is no dancing around this and playing pretend, otherwise you come off as mentally unstable as Miley.

    what's to stop Milely from being concerned that Biden is not in full control of his mental faculties, and starts to undermine Biden behind his back. This is exactly how coup attempts are justified in the past by every military commander.
     
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    First paragraph; in your mind.

    Second; nothing.
     
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    Desperately flapping your arms trying to justify treason with made up nonsense. Great job!
     
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    That's funny considering the whole spiel of this forum is "we just say a bunch of stuff based on our political persuasions and our very limited knowledge of the facts and the laws as we perceive them." If you don't want to participate in that don't.

    As for the charge of treason, yes it's serious, and yes it's bandied about the internet quite a bit. but it certainly matches the constitutional definition of treason so that's a start. Interestingly that so far Milley has not denied this, although if I were him I would claim that Woodward just made it up; he's known to do that. But as serious as the charge is, I'm under no allusions that he will be fired, let alone ever face court-martial for this. The establishment seems in full defense of this (and they're assuming the story is true) but the precedent of the military being allowed to override civilian government will be set. You may at some time in the future deeply regret that. I know I will.
     
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    Sometimes words mean things. Maybe not in your world, but they do in the real world.

    “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”
     
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    Yeah, and no doubt dozens of inner circle witnesses who were interviewed and written about in some two dozen or so books, confirming this fact, they are just making it all up.

    Yeah, right.

    Talk about denial.
     
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    Naturally, ignorance becomes you.
     
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    So, more anonymous sources and disgruntled leftists. Got it. You got nothing.
     
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    No, the opposite is True.

    We didn't hate Bush, Reagan, etc. WE didn't like their policies, but we didnn't despise the person.

    Trump, on the other hand, has many things which make him a despicable person.

    We invent nothing.

    The follow is a detail and documented account of Trump corruption,

    https://prospect.org/mapping-corruption-interactive

    Not to mention:

    Trump is the worst, most dangerous, most repugnant, most criminal president in history who has damaged America more than any president in history.

    He has been accusing democrats of stealing the election, without any basis in fact, or evidence, noting that he started doing it many months before the first ballot was cast, thus proving that it was not 'evidence' that so caused him to do this, it was a scheme to subvert the election. This is the first president in history to accuse his opponents of stealing/rigging the election.

    By doing this, he has single handedly undermined confidence in the election, and to that extent, has damaged democracy itself. Every election has irregularities, and isolated examples of individuals cheating, but it never amounts ot more than a few, and it always involved members of both parties. These do not prove the charge that 'Democrats rigged the election', but Trump knew that his fans would not be able to make that distinction, and believed his every word and thus Trump, in some 65 million people, and destroyed confidence in the election. It will take a long time for America to heal, it won't heal as long as Trump is fanning the flames of lies inspiring hatred of democrats.

    His objective was to destroy confidence in the election to his fan base and in statehouses where republicans control the election apparatus.
    Government officials currently are testifying in congress how he has repeatedly and persistently attempted to get the DOJ AG Rosen to announce the election was corrupt, so that he could pressure states to toss out Biden's electors. This scheme is being testified to by more than one official, not to mention we have recordings of this scheme in GA ( where he is being investigated for criminal activity in GA by the GA AG ).
    This scheme was furthered by over 60 lawsuits, all of which no evidence to prove Trump's charge that 'Democrats stole the election' has withstood court scrutiny. One would think, at the minimum, the conservatives appointed to the bench by both Bush and Trump would go his way, if Trump and his surrogates had, at the minimum, something, anything which proved their charge. But, alas, nothing. No evidence, no proof, nada, squat, zip. Not a gawdamned thing has anyone on the right provided in any court of law anything that remotely resembles evidence. Affidavits can be used to corroborate evidence, but without the corroborative evidence, they are just declarations, noting that many examined were questionable in their conclusions and constructs.

    In the furtherance of this scheme Trump whipped up his base with cries of 'Democrats stole the election" and has inculcated hatred of democrats to such a degree, like a volcano, that anger erupted into a juggernaut on Jan 6., where cries of 'Stop The Steal" were repeated over and over and over again, with malice on their minds, they also chanted 'hang Mike Pence". Trump attempted to stop the Congress's constitutional duty to count the state's vote and thus finalize the certification of the election, or at least delay it so, in the interim, he could pressure more states to toss out Biden's electors and replace them with his own.

    This scheme means that Trump has betrayed America, and has wounded it far more than any dictator could ever wish for.

    And now, many election officials are quitting because they are being harassed and threatened by zealous Trump fans who falsely believe Democrats stole the election. Hate crimes are up since Trump took office. And Trump hasn't stopped with his dangerous tirade, he continues to push the big lie which is causing more threats of election officials and more and more are quitting an weakening the election system. Inspired by the Big Lie, some states are trying to 'audit' the elections that were previously audited, often more than once, after elections sealed, and by outside companies that have no election experience, causing concern about the integrity of such audits, as they are motivated by Trump's big lie, in the first place.

    No doubt you believe it, too.

    As for Putin, and Russia's attempt to get Trump into office, for the precise reason they knew Trump would be an agent of chaos, to weaken America, which will give them more power to extend their reach in the world while America tries to extricate itself from the quagmire set into motion by Donald Trump. For Putin, it was 'Mission Accomplished".

    That you can't see what is happening in front of your eyes is truly amazing. Really, amazing, indeed.
     
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    They are not anonymous to the Journalists, their sources are just not published for the protection of the sources, this is standard journalistic practice. This has to be so because no one would blow the whistle if their identities were published. You should know this.

    Moreover....

    Trump sued a guy just because he called Trump a millionaire instead of a Billionaire, Trump sued Bill Maher because Maher said Trump was the love child of his mother and an orangutan, surely, of the 22 books portraying a far more devastating a picture of Trump than those two lawsuits, surely he would have sued someone. Not to mention Bob Woodward's interviews were of Trump's inner circle, and he is the guy who brought the Nixon administration to it's knees, resulting in incarcerations for Haldeman, Erlichman, and Dean to name a few. Woodward's reputation is stellar, noting that Woodward is a conservative.

    But, alas, Trump has sued no one for defamation, which leaves me to the inescapable conclusion you are in total denial.
     
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    And who cares? Some leftist in the administration doesn't like Trump and they cook up a concern-troll story about his "mental health" - despite there being no public evidence of it. Color me unconvinced by this sort of tripe.

    And? Public officials are often precluded from filing defamation suits, otherwise Trump could have sued Hillary, McCabe, Stzrok, and all the pee-pee hoax collusionists. So what.... your post is all baseless fluff. Do better.
     
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    The right didn't care about Deep Throat, until he took down Nixon.
    Not when they are private citizens, as Clinton McCabe, Stzrok, Nance, are, and many have always been private citizens, as Wolff, Woodwards, Costa, Nance, Mary Trump, and the list goes on, all are, all private citizens presenting documented evidence.

    Who mentioned 'pee pee hoax'? None of the books on Trump care about that one.

    Your rebuttal is weak. Do better. The vast majority of the books are highly critical of Trump, they are based on real facts and events. Documented.

    You are in total, complete, utter denial.
     
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    Without getting into details that would embarrass you, it should be sufficient to point out that Trump is not Nixon. That’s based on simple observation. Of you disagree, the ramifications are all yours.


    Let me know when you care to be factually accurate. This isn’t even close.

    Leftist coup plotters started an entire religious movement based on the Pee Pee Dossier. You seem like one who initially joined the cult, but realized it was all BS, and now want to hide from that fact.
     
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