Stephen Fry calls God an ‘evil, capricious, monstrous maniac’

How do you know 'man' is imperfect? Are you God?

 

Of course God isn't judgmental, how mediocre? The OT presents God as an authoritarian judgmental God so people will know what the consequences of their actions will be. This doesn't mean though that God is the cause of what happens. I mean how can a pure 'Creative Entity' harm and negate from His Own Creation?

 

Did you know that every noun in Greek is really an action word, probably because ancient Greek verbs had three hundred endings. They were always able to create new words and the reason I'm saying this is because the name Demiurge means 'to create'. Not to get off the subject, but someone once said that the ancient Greeks spoke in verse...and you know something, I believe it. I figured they must have been highly superstitious to speak in verse, but unless they did, how could they create such a flexible language?

Anyway the only thing I remember before the age of two, is some kids holding me by the hand near some railroad tracks. They must have been talking about the trains, because when they ran off I started screaming. I'm still fearful when crossing tracks.

As for God, you have to rid yourself of all your conceptions of Him, because God is not an outward authoritarian power holding you in perpetual bondage, but an inner experience that affects your heart and how you perceive the world and everything around you.

Anyway as far as religion goes, fundamentalists frustrate me no end....and it doesn't matter what faith they belong to. I don't even care for theologians, but (future) Saints, now they're something else. No hang ups, a great sense of humor and they know everything.

 

I know because I am one.

 

Define perfect.

 

Now isn't this the same argument that has been made since Greek times, if not earlier? Now, I like Fry just as much as the next guy, but the topic was brought on by the interviewer and the answer didn't bring anything new to the table. Why does this warrant a thread?

 

Well, that's what you get with a god that's made in man's image.

 

It's as good a foundation for debate as anything. The implications of actually viewing the christian idol as a vicious and evil entity are quite fascinating.

Not to mention the rather unfathomable perspective of believing such an entity to be good.

 

Well, what are those implications, then? Is it anything can't find on wikipedia? I'm guessing most people involved in this already disbelieve that god.

 

Is this a profound question in your parts?

 

He attacked God. He never said anything about the people who believe all that jazz about him.

 

Now isn't this the same argument that has been made by Moi621 since yesterday, if not earlier? Now, I like you just as much as the next guy, but the topic was brought on by Moi621 and your reply didn't bring anything new to the table. Why does this warrant a post?

 

Moi621 certainly brings attention to the fact that the thought is not original, but the rest of his argument bears no resemblance to mine. In fact, I'm hoping that there is some profound interesting point to be made, which is why I'm asking for it, rather than just ignoring the thread. However, I'm afraid that this might just be the same intellectual masturbation as always.

 

Thank you for coming.

 

It's utterly underwhelming. Why should I respect an overgrown crybaby who expects life to be fair?

 

I smell a new thread coming on.

Yes, that verse reads to even kill the innocent animals (with a little addition by me): "Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.....er, uh, unless of course the donkey TALKS, because if it talks then we'll put it in this new book I'm working on called "The Bible".”
http://biblehub.com/nlt/1_samuel/15.htm

 

Dude, we are in the longest war in US history, with no end in sight, and the enemy wants nukes, and it's because the enemy "believes" (kill infidels and get 72 virgins, god wants Sharia Law, etc.). So of course "belief" is INDEED our business!

PS I'm looking forward to the new film "Grandma sniper".

 

So you think life is unfair, but you don't find the creator of such a life to be mean-spirited and cruel?

 

Joker and Talon, let me settle this for you both: both of you are far far more moral than the unique Abrahamic "god", because neither of you, if YOU "designed the universe", would design an animal that burrows into a child's eyes and burrows outward causing the kid to go blind - you are far far more moral than their "god" is. So you are both awesome, and better than their #1 hero ("god") is. I believe in you more than I believe in their magic/immoral invisible friend.

 

We will not rid the world of faith nor should we want to but we can kill extremist regardless if they have faith or strut around as an atheist , always have and always will.

 

No, I don't think life is unfair. I think it's childish and irrational to apply the concept of "fairness" to life.

Another thing I find irrational is an atheist attempting to blame the ills of the world on some concept of a deity that he doesn't even believe in himself.

 

And yet again, attacks against the person, but no counters made to the arguments.

It's getting rather boring, frankly.

 

And what makes you think that this deity personally designed a creature that burrows into other animals' eyes, FS?

Shouldn't you and Mr. Fry be shaking your fists in impotent rage at the atoms and molecules that these creatures evolved from after the Big Bang?

 

Ah, so that's the nub of it; you simply did not understand what Mr Fry said. That explains a lot.

It's really not complicated, the whole point is that he doesn't believe in any god, but the christians argue that the concept of God that they believe in is a good one, and he simply explains that this isn't the case.

He's blaming nothing on an entity that doesn't exist. He's explaining that the supposed entity of God, as described in the Bible, is an evil one.

 

I understand what he said and where he's coming from quite clearly. It's really not complicated.

It's clear that Mr. Fry doesn't understand the Christian concept of God, and why should he?

And I explained why his explanation is childish and irrational.

Incidentally, you've got a question in Post #10 that you left unanswered...