Study finds higher maternal mortality rates in states with more abortion restrictions

Further research

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782421000901

 

You just aren't listening.

Maternal mortality is NOT the only issue.

With the laws being created, doctors are being driven away from obstetrics. Plus, your focus on mortality is bogus, since death is NOT the only risk.

I keep giving you references on this.

And, you just totally ignore it.

 

No, the problem is that I got the right answer & connected the dots to draw a picture you are mentally incapable of accepting so you just stamp your feet & declare its all untrue.

Presented with evidence that the most disadvantaged group of women in Australia has a markedly lower rate of maternal mortality than is the average in America you just put your hands over your ears and scream 'MEDIA BIAS, MEDIA BIAS, NOT TRUE, NOT TRUE'.

You desperately want to make it all go away - either by blaming it all on one of the go to conservative targets or inventing increasingly convoluted reasons why these comparisons just can't be made. Its the same defensive tactic right wing Americans use every. single. time. Gun deaths, living standards, healthcare...anything. Its always the same tactic and it always has the same purpose - to avoid unpreasant realities that might reflect badly on ideologies you support.

Keep thrashing about. It really is funny.

 

True but mortality stats are easier to compare than the highly under reported morbidity stats - sorry!

 

Absolutely.

As a measurement, maternal mortality is certainly one good method. It can be applied across the US and around the world. And, it IS a serious issue.

I just hate it when that poster attempts turns it around to ignore that maternal mortality is an indicator, one measure, not a definition of the total problem.

 

Look at you, trying to argue correlation proves causation.

 

Correlation is how one finds out what to investigate.

So, what do you have in the way of alternatives for explaining the DRAMATIC differences between the US and other countries and the changes in abortion law?

Frankly, those charts should be embarrassing to each and every thinking American.

 

And still does not proof causation

There's no need for me to provide alternatives - burden of proof lies with whoever makes the claim.

 

The data shows what research has found.

You can't look at results and just write it off as correlation without causation.

 

Unless there is a demonstration of a necessary relationship between the two - B exists entirely because of A, if not A then B dos not exist - you most certainly can.
There's no such demonstration.

 

There are causal links - read the research

 

Read the research.

 

Cite / copy / paste the text that proves your assertion.

 

Cite / copy / paste the text that proves your assertion.

 

That's exactly how science works. It is up to the researcher to prove causation. Otherwise it's merely causation. You can't just ignore the glaring fact that these states with poor maternal health outcomes also have overall worse health outcomes across the spectrum of healthcare.

 

Is Texas one of the states with "overall worse health outcomes across the spectrum of healthcare."?

 

Have done multiple times - including the OP

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10728320/

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12905-018-0705-y
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2021.306396
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782421000901

 

There's the flipside of the coin -->
Abortions by race - racism, or affirmative action?

Young adult women in late 20s, early 30s are dying at greater rate than before

Unlikely to be due to growing abortion restrictions because this trend had already begun before Dobbs.

Here's one quick thing I did find:
"New York State is ranked 30th in the nation in its maternal mortality rate, and this rate has been on the rise over the past two decades."
https://raisingnewyork.org/maternalhealth/ (March 2019 report)

Obviously the Dobbs decision has not affected New York, a state which has only been continuing to roll back any restrictions in recent years, despite having extremely liberal abortion laws to begin with.

 

Blowing your own trumpet again? Your other threads not seeing enough responses? As for NY - 30th? Out of how many? and which states are worse?

 

It doesn’t matter if it’s not after overturning roe. But it gives us a good reference point for when they do come out with more info

 

True but Mississippi has a maternal mortality rate of over 43 per 100,000. For comparison Australia’s rate is 5.8 and we are working to lower that rate

 

There are other health factors that go along with it. They could still have abortions at the time
Of the studies you pointed out. So that number isn’t reliant upon the access to abortion.

 

True but Mississippi has a maternal mortality rate of over 43 per 100,000. For comparison Australia’s rate is 5.8 and we are working to lower that rate

 

We know from international studies that where abortion access is restricted maternal mortality rises. We know WHY it rises and the answer is in what you are seeing playing out now. Pregnancies that become dangerous for the woman and artificially restricted ability to prevent harm

 

Many states that are passing laws have avenues for abortion if the mothers life is at risk