Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order

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  1. Chris Knight

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    You have a serious problem in Germany looking at this Terrorism Database: https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/searc...&country=75&ob=GTDID&od=desc&page=1&count=100

    From 2013 to 2015 there has been an exponential rise in terror attacks with the perpetrators largely unknown. Sorry but I have to ask what is wrong with your intelligence agencies if this data is correct?

    It is obvios that these terrorist attacks in Germany between 2013 and 2015 is due to Muslim immigration?
     
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    At the core, reasons are organizational weaknesses, structural problems, inadequate cooperation and everything combined with human stupidity!

    As you maybe know, Germany is a federal republic of 16 states. Every of these 16 states has his independent police and state police and an own Constitutional authority service (some sort of inland secret service), justice judges and attorneys. Above all is also the federal police department (a little bit like the American FBI), a Federal Constitutional authority service + usual secret services as every country has and Federal court and Attorney.
    This is a bunch of independent services and institutions responsible for such things ... and the depending existing laws they all can work with are mostly good and helpful to do the job, only some questionable points and law improvements are given!

    The fall of the Berlin attack by Anis Amri shows the weaknesses more than clearly and the ongoing investigations already show clearly the political and official ignorance = human failure!

    Amri came to Italy as a refugee in 2011 and became directly punishable (incitement and violence) and was sentenced to 4 years imprisonment. At the latest in prison, he became a radical Islamist and was seen by the Italian authorities as a potential terrorist threat. After his release, he was to be deported to Tunisia, but this did not work, since Tunisia refused his withdrawal!
    Despite Italian observation he was able to enter Italy and enter Switzerland via Germany! Here he reported several times with false identities and it took some time until his true identity had been clarified. Here, too, warned early on that Amri was a dangerous person, and he was under the supervision of many institutions. The constitutional protection authorities of NRW and Berlin, the Federal Police Office, foreigners' offices, and so on were also shadowed by the authorities and even the Berlin police Him as a drug dealer!
    One problem was again the deportation to Tunisia because they refused to accept him. However, the German authorities are largely responsible for this because they did not meet certain requirements from Tunisia (for example complete hand print and not just fingerprints) and did not supply these requirements.
    In the end, the attack finally came to an end, when everything was settled.
    The problem is that many authorities were involved here and the communication between these authorities is just lousy! The one had important insights that would have helped the other's process, but these info's were not shared or went under in black hole of bureaucracy. Especially the authorities of the state of North Rhine Westphalia and the Berlin-communicated miserable! There were also enough suspicions that had justified a legitimate arrest of Amri, but some idiots of judges and prosecutors slept and did not react, or found any form errors and refused the arrest warrant! There is also the suspicion in the room that any of the authorities conducted secret investigations here and left Amri in freedom to get more information about the Islamist scene in Germany by observation. Whether this is true is still unclear, but not unlikely!
    The competent minister of the interior of NRW, who has already demonstrated dolouriness in Cologne during the New Year's Eve event in 2015, has also adorned itself here with further stupidity and idiotic expressions. Contrary to all the facts so far, he denies that there was visible a need and possibility to arrest Amri before the attack!
    Since Amri often stayed in Berlin, which is quite remarkable, why he could travel in Germany, the Berlin Minister of the Interior is, of course, guilty because he had not arrested Amri. Typical political dirty game ... although Berlin has not really stained with fame, because the Berlin police observed Amri as a suspect drug dealer, neither the Berlin constitutional protection authority was known, let alone someone in NRW!
    The Federal Minister of the Interior also had to ask the Federal Criminal Police Office to deal with uncomfortable questions because they knew about Amri at least thanks to their direct international relations with Italy and Tunisia and Interpol, and could have intervened as the highest authority!
     
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    What needs to be avoided is the possibility of uncontained civil unrest, violence and turmoil which is inevitable with an increase in frequency of Islamist terrorism. Local communities and ordinary citizens become outraged that the government has failed to protect their communities and blame the Muslim and immigration. What happens is retaliation in the form of Mosque attacks, refugee village attacks etc. Once this begins to stick, Germany will be in serious trouble because it will be never-ending and escalating. More Islamic extremist will attempt attacks and more ordinary citizens will respond with attacks until all out civil war. This is what Germany must try to avoid. Letting radical influential organisations like the Muslim Brotherhood in will only provide reinforcement to this possible scenario. Letting Saudi Arabia and Iran send in their radical preachers should be avoided. I would advise not to take in anymore Muslims until the existing Muslims have integrated, assimilated or returned to their home country. I think a possible option is for Europe to request all the current refugees to be resettled in Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan which are Muslim majority countries.
     
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    Those 7 "predominantly Muslim countries", with the exception of Iran, are also clearly "failed states", places where the government is incapable of exercising jurisdiction over it's entire territory, where roving bands of insurgents, rebels or terrorists armed with rocket launchers roam the countryside in trucks mounted with machine guns. In such places there are millions of displaced people fleeing the violence, government institutions are attacked, records lost and destroyed while the perpetrators try to establish themselves as "government". This explains better why the list includes those countries than simply that they are "predominantly Muslim", this is why Morocco and Jordan aren't on the list despite their Muslim majorities. Other places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Egypt have trouble with terrorists too, but not as bad or the US has found they cooperate better with the background checks, in places like Afghanistan the US has forces on the ground which can provide some intelligence. I think the issue is verifying backgrounds more than religious faith.

    There is an issue with religious faith, the fundamentalists the US is trying to keep out are all Muslims, no doubt all irredentist fundamentalists should be barred -even Christians, but it does make sense to focus first on the worst. Though Christian fundamentalists have certainly perpetrated heinous attacks, they aren't roving the countryside of failed states with machine guns and rocket launchers. Until they do, the "predominately Muslim" description is a red herring.
     
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    Just any name will do?
     
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    Well, I'm open to expanding the list. I don't think their culture works with Western Culture.
     

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