'Stunning,' 'powerful,' 'overdue': Romney, Murkowski praise Mattis' stinging Trump rebuke

Well, it's about time, Sen Murkowski, nice to know you are finally growing a spine!
Who knows, maybe a few others in the Senate just might, as well.

Naturally, the prez wasn't too tickled about her comments.

Golly, all you need is a pulse and be a repub, and the prez is on your side. Non-sycophants needn't apply.

 

While I am glad to finally hear her admitting to what has been painfully obvious to us who see trump for what he is, she is still far too tentative and careful in her words. Trump is a dangerous fanatic and threat to everything American as well as the rest of the world.

Cut the crap and spit it out Murkoski! Tell it like it is.

 

RINOs gotta RINO.

 

The sad thing is that now all freedom hating despots will point to the US as an example of how democracy failed.

Any system that could elect trump is a failed system.

 

We can't eliminate the EC without a constitutional amendment, so, until then, I think we need legislation that goes something like, 'if popular vote and delegate count do not agree, we go with the popular vote, if the margin is greater than X .

Just have to figure what the value of X should be. I'd say on a national election, >1% of the total votes should be the threshold.

By the way, if we returned the EC to it's original design (or Hamilton's concept of it), Trump would never have been nominated.

 

Yes, the EC should have prevented his election in the first place. It was their right and their duty to refuse to put trump in office because he was unfit.

The system utterly failed.

 

A system that prevented Hillary Clinton or any other corrupt Leftwing Socialist as well as any Neo Con Bush or RINO from being elected Is a system well worth keeping intact.

 

I forget when they changed the design to practically force the delegates to go with the state's popular vote. The whole purpose of the EC was to have educated, persons of character and responsibility to be delegates, and they, not the electorate, choose nominee. All a citizens vote does is elect an elector ( now called a delegate ). Hamilton was afraid of mob rule ( which is really what we have now ).

 

There is a system that is precisely designed to do that, it's called 'fascism'.

No wonder you like Trump.

FYI, Hillary is a neoliberal, not a 'socialist'.

 

Precisely!

The system did fail fundamentally. It was designed to prevent someone like trump from ever being elected.

 

If the repubs had superdelegates like DNC did, it might have prevented Trump, but it's a workaround. The original design of the EC should be restored.

 

I think its too late. I want to disband the union. Legalize secession and allow blue States to continue the American dream. Red States can have a dictator and white-only counties for all I care. I just don't want THEM EVER electing MY leaders again. I want them out of my country.

The three great States that comprise the West Coast are the sixth largest economy in the world. We are a great nation without the rest. But we would surely welcome the NE and other true-blue States to join our new union, to continue the American dream.

 

FYI, the USA is a Constitutional Republic, and the system is called the Electoral college. And it worked exactly as the founders designed it, by preventing a concentration of population in just 1 or 2 states from nullifying a majority of states voting in opposition.

Trump won the election by winning the majority of states , thus winning the electoral vote count which is what ultimately determines the winner.

 

It's good however to see the tolerance(or lackthereof) from others. And then they have the gall to ask for 'tolerance' from their political opponents. Why should Nationalists tolerate democrats and Republicans, when they are diametrically opposed ideologies. One wants a unified State, the other is a grafter for their corporate needs and desires.

 

This is very much like the 20s in Germany. The lying media and elite's tactics were so obvious and the news so dishonest that even the Social Democrats and Communists had to read the Nationalist's newspapers to see what was really going on.

 

Your interpretation is simplistic. The EC was an evolution to what it is today. It most certainly, today, does not function as it was originally designed.

(Source Wikipedia)
Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution provided the original plan by which the electors voted for president. Under the original plan, each elector cast two votes for president; electors did not vote for vice president. Whoever received a majority of votes from the electors would become president, with the person receiving the second most votes becoming vice president.

The original plan of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:[30]

1. Choice of the president should reflect the "sense of the people" at a particular time, not the dictates of a faction in a "pre-established body" such as Congress or the State legislatures, and independent of the influence of "foreign powers".[31]
2. The choice would be made decisively with a "full and fair expression of the public will" but also maintaining "as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder".[32]
3. Individual electors would be elected by citizens on a district-by-district basis. Voting for president would include the widest electorate allowed in each state.[33]
4. Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting, deliberating with the most complete information available in a system that over time, tended to bring about a good administration of the laws passed by Congress.[31]
5. Candidates would not pair together on the same ticket with assumed placements toward each office of president and vice president.
6. The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the presidential election to the House of Representatives.

Alexander Hamilton described the Founding Fathers' view of how electors would be chosen:

A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated [tasks]

Evolution of selection plans
In 1789, at-large popular vote, the winner-take-all method, began with Pennsylvania and Maryland; Massachusetts, Virginia and Delaware used a district plan by popular vote, and in the five other states participating in the election (Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and South Carolina),[40] state legislatures chose. By 1800, Virginia and Rhode Island voted at-large, Kentucky, Maryland, and North Carolina voted popularly by district, and eleven states voted by state legislature. Beginning in 1804 there was a definite trend towards the winner-take-all system for statewide popular vote.[41]

By 1832, only South Carolina chose their electors this way, and it abandoned the method after 1860.[41] States using popular vote by district have included ten states from all regions of the country. By 1832, there was only Maryland, and from 1836 district plans fell out of use until the 20th century, though Michigan used a district plan for 1892 only.[42]

Since 1836, statewide winner-take-all popular voting for electors has been the almost universal practice. As of 2016, Maine (from 1972) and Nebraska (from 1996) use the district plan, with two at-large electors assigned to support the winner of the statewide popular vote

Yeah, I know, and dems are eventually going to change to a real democracy. We know repubs don't like sort of thing.

FYI, a 'republic' is a representative democracy.

Democracy means people vote and the majority wins. That's what it means.

No mention about "... by preventing a concentration of population in just 1 or 2 states from nullifying a majority of states voting in opposition..." IS in the constitution, or in the federalist papers that I can find. Could you provide me with the citation in the Federalist Papers or the Constitution which discusses this?

I'll keep looking, there's a lot to read, but if you have the citation, that would save me a lot of time, thank you.

 

It can't work. The problem is rural vs urban. You have massive blue city states spread out all over America surrounded by vast swaths of red (including California). The red areas generate almost all of the raw materials and the blue cities convert them to manufactured goods or ship them to other countries. Red areas produce the food that blue areas eat. Blue areas produce the tractors that red areas use to produce the food.

A possible answer is to vastly reduce the power of the federal government and return much of the power to the states. Perhaps make major metropolitan areas their own states. The chances of this happening are probably less than 1%.

The elites did fine under Obama and are doing fine under Trump... actually their share of the pie has been growing ever since Ronald Reagan took office. That was when labor began losing their slice of the pie. Ronald Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama and Trump... no real change except an acceleration in the trend over time. So for all the sound and fury, it is business as usual. The name of the game is use illegal and legal immigration to artificially suppress wages. This will continue until the underclass outnumbers the middle class. Currently California has 25% of its population living in poverty while also having some of the most massively wealthy people on the planet. California has been growing those in poverty for three decades now. Wealth inequality is its ticking time bomb.



This internecine fighting between the middle and working classes serves the purposes of the elites just fine. The MOST important thing to them is keeping the pyramid scheme of continual population growth going. Everything kind of falls apart without continual population growth. This cannot go on forever and it will does finally end, there will probably be a hefty bill due.

 

FYI, Hillary Clinton is a psychotic leftwing traitor to the USA with blood of the US ambassador at Benghazi , Libya, on her hands.
Hillary Clinton is pedophile protector as evidenced by her documented fawning over a well known convicted pedophile.
Hillary Clinton’s mentor was none other than the Grand Wizard KKK Senator Byrd (now deceased thank God.
Hillary lied for and defended hubby Bill the Rapist Clinton
Hill and Bill together were quite a pair of traitors to the USA. He selling MIRV tech to Communist China, and she selling Uranium to Putin
Hillary Clinton lied before the US Congress about having an unsecured server , lied about that server having classified data, and destroyed the hard drive which is destruction of evidence.
Hillary Clinton conspired with NSA, CIA, FBI, with Barack Obama’s blessing, to creat a false document to gain FISA court permission to surveil Donald Trump.
Hillary should be charged with Treason, Sedition, and Conspiracy and if the grand jury convicts, hanged

 

If Hillary bothers you, you must hate Trump with a greater passion.

I say you have two choices:

1. Hate Trump as much as you hate Hillary because his life time transgressions are far worse than hers (in fact, his first few days in office, his incompetence killed CPO Ryan Owens due to a bad call his first few days in office, and not a peep out of the likes of you
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-trump-team-s-first-military-raid-went-wrong-n806246

OR....
2. Be a hypocrite.

So what's it going to be, Skullkrusher?

Hmmmmm?

As for Benghazi, know that During G. Bush, there were 16 Embassy attacks and 60 deaths, and not one peep out of the likes of you.

Oh, you didn't mention that every president since Truman has committed war crimes, and not one peep out of the likes of you.


Apparently you forgot about the Time four soldier's died on Trump' watch, and when Trumped call one of the soldier's mother,
he couldn't remember the name of the slain soldier, because he cared so little.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/trump-la-david-johnson-widow-troops/543240/
not a peep out of the likes of you.

Which makes sense, since Trump is the kind of guy who 'prefers soldiers who don't get caught' and 'knows more about ISIS than the generals'.

I could list the despicable things about Trump that I could write a 30,000 word essay, and you don't give a damn, as long as you have a democrat to hang your hat of hatred on, right, SKuLLKruSher?

Hell, you don't have to choose, you already are a.........................

nevermind.

One more thing, you're a fact twister, you twist the facts to match your hate.
For example, Sen. Byrd was a KKK member 40 years prior to his being a member of the Senate, a fact for which he spent is life apologizing for, but you're
not going to give a democrat the benefit of the doubt, eh SkullKrusher? and no, you're not going to mention that Trump's dad attend KKK rallies, and Trump and his father were sued by NY AG for discrimination against African Americans, eh. you're not going ot mention things like that, because Trump isn't a democrat.

That's not how decency works.

I'll bet you've never given a democrat the benefit of the doubt in your entire life.

Says a lot about you, eh, sKullkRushEr?

 

You've been reading too many National Enquirers and alt right rags.
when it comes to the truth, you are as far from it as Trump is. But, you don't give a damn, because Trump is not a democrat.
Let's get one thing straight, of your many lies, I can let slide, but this one:
NOT ONE GRAM OF AMERICAN URANIUM WAS SOLD TO RUSSIA.
American Uranium is low grade, and the earth has plenty of it.
Russia purchased Uranium One company from a Canadian firm because of their holdings in Kazakhstan, which in in Russia's territory. 9 regulatory agencies, including the Atomic Energy Commission approved the sale, which was done at a level well below Hillary's level as Secretary of State. Russia CANNOT get a permit from America for AMerican export, that's impossible.

You need to stop lying.

Quit reading conspiracy magazines, you're pissing me off.

 

Except that it is a MINORITY mob rule by greed obsessed Wall Street Casino Banksters manipulating white supremacist racist bigots into supporting the current farce of a government of We the People.

 

What is a RINO? Is it like TDS....you know, give something a made-up crap, mysterious name, and that makes it legit? Jayzuz? Really?

 

If HIllary is a Traitor, so is Nixon, Reagan, and Trump, for similar reasons, but of course, they are not democrats, natch, you're not going to hate republicans, it's only the blood on dems hands that bothers you.

No less than eight investigations during Benghazi, spanning a period of four years, and Hillary appeared to all of them, noting that Trump refused to appear to any of his investigations and whined about how long it was taken right around the first year.

What did Trey Gowdy find? Not one ******n thing, squat, zilch, nada, frickin' zerio.

In fact, The Clintons have been investigated for some 25 years, and what have they pinned on them?

Not a ******n thing.

As for 'blood' There is not one US president that doesn't have blood on his hands, it's the nature of the job. The world is warring place, **** happens.
But, if you are going to hate hillary, you need to hate bush, Reagan, Nixon, and Trump, they all have blood on their hands. When that truck hit the barracks in Beirut in 1983, which killed 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, did you hate Reagan then?

Hillary and the DNC hired Fusion GPS, an American firm, who, in turn hired Steel. she did not communicate to Steel, there is no evidence of that.

Some aspects of the dossier have been corroborated, in particular its main allegations that Putin and Russia actively favored Trump over Clinton. Contrary to a conspiracy theory[26][27] pushed by Trump,[28] Fox News,[29] and many of Trump's congressional supporters, the dossier was not the trigger for the opening of the FBI's "Crossfire Hurricane" counterintelligence investigation

And this: https://www.justsecurity.org/67691/the-crossfire-hurricane-reports-inconvenient-findings/
Contra the hopes of Donald Trump’s more ardent admirers, it fails to turn up anything resembling a Deep State cabal within the FBI plotting against the president, or deliberate abuse of surveillance authorities for political ends.

As for this:

Totally false.

First off, the salient parts of the 'dossier' have been corroborated, the fact that Russia interfered in the US election in order to get Trump elected. In fact, the only aspect of it actually proven false was the bit about Cohen going to Prague. The other parts haven't been proved or disproved.

Was the bar for the FISA warrant too low? Sure, Were the FBI sloppy/negligent in over relying on the 'dossier'? It seems so, according to Horowitz.
But, was Hillary behind this? Absolutely not. The FISA warrant was totally on the FBI, mostly shabby work on lower level staff noting that supervision was slacking, but it had nothing to do with Clinton for the Carter Page surveillance.
The only thing Hillary did was hire Fusion GPS for 'oppo research', that's it. She had absolutely nothing to do with FISA and there is no evidence she even was in communication with Steel. Steele asserted he was not aware the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research until months after he contracted with Fusion GPS.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/poli...ie-wasserman-schultz-trump-dossier/index.html
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier

yes, there's plenty of room for criticism of the FBI, but it's been established that the FBI has done this a lot with a lot of warrants, so what that proves is that Trump is not being singled out, it's just what it is, sloppiness. Thing is, FISA has been amended a number of times, and it's time for a thorough review of this Act.

 

Actually, California, by itself, is the 5th largest economy in the world. Of all the states, I've thought about how cool it would be if California, Oregon and Washington became it's own country, but San Diego has nine or ten military bases, and Washington State has a few, and no way big brother is going to let go of that.

Nice thought, though.

Here's a fun thought, which are the happiest states, well, of the 50 states, the bottom 10 are all red and seven of the top 10 are BLUE.
https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959/

 

A sincere question: did Trump use the military to put down peaceful demonstrations this week? Did I miss that?

If so, I'm surprised because I watch a lot of news on several channels.

If it didn't happen, the charge of Trump being a "dictator" are simply foolish.