Suddenly you hear a voice...

The same way a Muslim father kills his daughter for not being Islamic enough. He, like "god", gets away with it because (people won't believe this, so look it up) in Islamic law it says it's not against the law to kill your children if you feel fully justified in doing so (to protect the family's [warped sense of] "honor".) Religions are sick.

 

How do you know Christians are sacrificing themselves and becoming martyrs out of fear, and not because of the love given to them by the Holy Spirit? Are you telling me that when thousands of saints went into the world and edified people so they would stop sacrificing their children to demons, that they were doing it out of fear?

Are you saying they gave themselves up to the lions, to witch doctors, to cannibals, to crucifixion out of fear? Strange! I would have thought it would have been the opposite. .

 

Whatever, I'm immoral for not supporting anachronism. But I noticed you are silent on the benefits, the necessity, of slavery in building the civilization and standard of living you enjoy today. But keep denouncing it as you reap the benefits.

 

The innocent people on 9/11, they, uh, all turned away from him?
The 100,000+ innocent people that "god" COULD have simply warned, but callously chose not to, who died in the Aceh tsunami, they all turned away from him?
The innocent little children that god could have helped, when they pleaded to him for mercy, in that school in Connecticutt, they all turned away from him?

No, that invisible friend is immoral, so therefore not really divine. Zeus is not divine, neither is Krishna, nor Odin, nor Apollo, and we BOTH agree on this. Just go one more invisible friend and we'll both be in agreement.

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A moral modern Secular Humanist believes that slavery is/was not necessary.

 

Actually it would be par for the course for an immoral person to call for something moral . . . depending on his or her end goals. It sort of depends on how far ahead you are looking. In a way, that's sort of the concept of the Anti-Christ; someone who seem's Christ-like, but in the final analysis really is not. In order to pull off a long term scam, however, an anti-Christ would occasionally have to call for something moral. It would be the cost of doing business, so to speak.

Rather like a politician, actually.

 

They largely give to charities out of the fear of not getting a good afterlife. That's not as altruistic as a modern Secular Humanist giving, since we have no fear irrational of the afterlife, as such, like many religious people do. Jesus taught fear. Mohammad taught fear. A great person does not need to teach fear. They were not great.

 

Christianity has no relationship to Islam. We worship a different God. This doesn't mean that Christians in that part of the world did not perform honor killing. Believe me they did, but it was purely cultural and the ones who did it were not Christians. Look just because our Western laws are based on Judaic/Christian principles, and just because many people are baptized, does not make them Christians. Baptism only 'illuminates' them towards becoming a Christian. The choice is purely up to the individual.

 

Upon what facts would a modern secular humanist come to that conclusion? But before you answer that, answer this: Necessary to what?

 

Sounds like Jesus, actually.....billions of very moral people (like Gandhi) will suffer worse torture than Hitler could ever dream about for simply not accepting the zombie from Nazareth, accepted slavery, didn't speak one word about the killing of gays which was in the Jewish texts (Jesus was immoral), but throw out a few good moral teachings here and there and the people won't be the wiser.

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Common sense, and morality.
Necessary for a good world.

 

Jesus is a prophet in both.
Moses is a prophet in both.
Abraham is a prophet in both.
Both are incredibly violent.
Both accepted slavery.
Both approve of rape.
Both treat women as 1/2 a man.
Both say to kill gays.
Both threaten non-sucker-uppers to eternal hell, but are too immoral to provide proof.
Both are immoral.

I could go on all day.

Christianity is no more moral than Islam.

 

Jesus didn't teach fear, He taught acceptance of God so they can attain unity with Him in the afterlife. Big difference! What He did was take away their fears so they would stop doing the irrational....like human sacrifice for instance.

 

Ah but then the problem is the self-sacrifice catch. An anti-Christ wouldn't take things so far as to actually allow himself to be nailed to lumber. He'd designate some chump to take his place and then somehow claim that doing so was a necessary but deeply regrettable sacrifice on his part.

 

Which of "god's" murders of innocent people in the Bible do you approve of?
As a modern Secular Humanist I'm too moral to approve of any of them.

 

OK, I was talking about it being necessary to advance out of the bronze age. I suspected you were talking about apples instead of oranges, which is why I asked "necessary to what". Oh, sure, we might have a great, moral little common sense world. We could all live in huts with leprosy, making our own bottles out of animal bladders and talking about how moral we are.

 

there is so much wrong here that I can hardly believe you're not in league with Heretic.

that bit about god is love so how could he hurt his creations etc is just plain funny. the bit about us causing natural disasters with our heathen ways is downright nutty nuts. saved the best til last, though. you say god CAN'T help us if we're sensible enough to give superstition a wide berth? first, isn't he omnipotent? and second, how is that you know this? doesn't he work in mysterious ways?

 

Islam teaches that Jesus was NOT resurrected, and is not the son of god. Jesus is a revered prophet in Islam. So about 40% of the people in the world who hold Jesus as a prophet don't even believe in the resurrection to begin with. Not too convincing there, Jesus, when 40% of your followers don't even believe in your resurrection.

It's possible that Jesus did have someone else take his place, that's why people say they saw him after his "death" (he never died on the cross - it was someone else)....that makes way more sense than the Bible's version, when one thinks about it.

Could THOMAS have been the one on the cross? "The idea that Thomas was commonly seen by outsiders as Jesus' twin is in fact reflected (forgive the pun) in The Book of Thomas the Contender, which was found in the Nag Hammadi library. In that text, Jesus says to Thomas "since it has been said that you are my twin and true companion...", making it clear that there was common belief that Thomas was Jesus' twin or body double." From: http://www.olinrevelation.org/NewWebsite/TheApostleThomas.htm
There is one person who could clear this up for us (when he can break away from ruining Tim Tebow's career that is), but he refuses to help us (Jesus could help us). I'd help us, if I had that power, because I'm more moral than "Jesus". I bet you are too, correct?

 

I'm sorry that I can only hit the "Like" button one time on this great post. If I could hit it more times I'd probably spend all night hitting that button, so I guess it's ok.

 

In Christianity Jesus is not a prophet, He is part of the Holy Trinity and therefore is God.

Yes!

Yes!

Islam is violent, Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

Islam does, even today. Christianity never did, but many bought slaves from the Muslims anyway.

I don't know about Islam, but Christianity does not.

Now you are being silly. In Christianity women are respected.

I don't know about Islam, but homosexuality is a sin and killing is a sin, so you are being silly.

It seems to me You are blaming God for your problems, but you are not willing to lower your pride to ask Him for help.

 

So if I could show you that Christianity DOES approve of slavery, then you'd say Christianity is immoral, correct?

So if I can show you where the Bible says to kill gays, then you'd say that Christianity is silly, correct?

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He's no more provably real than bigfoot, and I don't ask bigfoot for help, so..........

 

Then he knows the cure for cancer, and for AIDS, and for the common cold, but he's too much of a prick to bother telling us (too busy creating tsunamis that kill a hundred thousand people, apparently.) Jeannette, if YOUR "children" (we are supposedly Jesus' "children") had cancer, or AIDS, or any of the currently uncurable deadly diseases, would YOU tell humanity the cure? As a modern Secular Humanist I of course would! What is your answer, Jeannette?

 

another hilarious post from the School of Heretic!

1) I say I am the King of Norway, not a housewife and mother living in Australia.
2) Sooo, even though jesus said 'no slaves', they bought some anyway?
3) "respected" in this context meaning "tolerated on account of they cook and clean and (sometimes) shag.
4) yes of course. we blame yahweh and Thor and the FSM and the great goddess for our problems. if only we were marvellous enough to ask them for help. if we were, they'd no doubt help us immediately. they'd probably mind the kids for us while we go out gambling and whorin', too.

 

Of course you can't comprehend a word I'm saying, it's obvious you're not in my league. I'm an Orthodox Christian ...you know Greek of ancient 'philosophy' fame as well as of the New Testament and the Fathers of the Church? We go a little deeper into things..so let's just say it's a language thing.

 

I expect nothing less. after all, I am the KING OF NORWAY.

 

Since you've gone on and on telling us how moral you and your belief system are, what, in your own words, IS morality?

 

Who said he didn't comprehend what you said? Because he called your explanations silly?