Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage nationwide<<MOD WARNING>>

Is this 1861? No but you apparently feel the need to spout ad hominems and strike out irrationally.

 

If any restriction on religious power with in the law is an "attack", then you are correct.

We're not a theocracy, and never have been. And the majority doesn't want us to be.

Well, good luck convincing your fellow straight religious people of that. Most of them don't agree with you.

This goes for heteros as well. Marriage should be granted by churches, synagogues, mosques, or any organization that the couple wishing to get married finds to be the right match for them... this includes homosexuals.
It's already been like that for a very long time. No one has ever made the argument that any church should be force to recognize or refuse a specific union. Your church could marry pedophiles to children if they wanted to, or your dog to your houseplant, and the government would not be able to stop them. That is not new. It's been like that since forever.

Legal recognition is the real issue, and gays did not have that before.

The right to exclude people from privileges is not a "freedom". The fact that I can't force you to watch the logo channel 24 hours a day does not mean my freedoms have been restricted.

 

equal rights should not be put up to a vote, that is why we have the constitution

 

Never happen. It would never make to ratification. And no one would get enough support to win an election with it.

 

You continue to miss the point. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

Re-read it again and maybe this time you will get there.MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

The stats show that you are incorrect. The majority of Americans have moved towards being in favor of the ruling.

 

I have no doubt as to the conservative credentials of the majority of Republican Court appointees, but they are still bound by the Constitution.

 

I hope this ruling puts an end to all the gay whining and bellyaching. They got what they want. Now hopefully, they'll move on.

 

Good, its about time. Hopefully, no more******** about inequality now? Or is it all going to shift to removing gender from bathroom stalls, applications, drivers licences, birth certificates, ect. The same argument can be applied to any of it really. Once you shift the definition of something, you shift the rules. Why have male and female bathroom stalls if .05% of the population doesn't fit into one or the other? That would be unequal correct? I have a feeling its just the start.

 

First of all how can you call something a 'dead-ender' when you know very well that gay couples often end up raising children abandoned by their biological, heterosexual parents? Bringing a child up as your own is certainly contributing something towards society. Then you have to consider that gay couples can have their 'own' kids - as in create human beings via surrogacy and IVF that would not have existed, had not that couple who happen to be same-sex gotten together and made that all-important decision.

Second of all, there are plenty of opposite sex couples who choose not to have children. It's not as though we are underpopulated in any way - so it's neutral at best. But if we aren't annulling childless heterosexual marriages, banning elderly straight couples from wedding one another and doing fertility tests at the altar, there's simply no logical reason for excluding gay couples.

The other thing I think people such as yourself cannot wrap your heads around is that gay people will be gay regardless of acceptance - lack of acceptance will not make people any less gay, nor will it help produce more people - so arguing that it's a 'dead end' when there is no viable alternative for people with same-sex attraction... just seems, well... silly. At the heart of this thing is compassion. They want legal recognition for them and their families (not to be regarded as legal strangers to one another) - so why the heck not?

Thank you. But I believe the victory is for humanity, even if people like yourself don't even realise it.

 

Is it so wonderful to normalize the homosexual lifestyle? Consider the men and boys victimized.

CDC: 94 to 95 percent of HIV cases among young men linked to gay sex

And here's noted gay activist Larry Kramer being honest about the lifestyle:

Does it occur to you that we brought this plague of aids upon ourselves? I know I am getting into dangerous waters here but it is time. With the cabal breathing even more murderously down our backs it is time. And you are still doing it. You are still murdering each other. Please stop with all the generalizations and avoidance excuses gays have used since the beginning to ditch this responsibility for this fact. From the very first moment we were told in 1981 that the suspected cause was a virus, gay men have refused to accept our responsibility for choosing not to listen, and, starting in 1984, when we were told it definitely was a virus, this behavior turned murderous. Make whatever excuses you can to carry on living in your state of denial but this is the fact of the matter. I wish we could understand and take some responsibility for the fact that for some 30 years we have been murdering each other with great facility and that down deep inside of us, we knew what we were doing. Don’t tell me you have never had sex without thinking down deep that there was more involved in what you were doing than just maintaining a hard-on.

I have recently gone through my diaries of the worst of the plague years. I saw day after day a notation of another friend’s death. I listed all the ones I’d slept with. There were a couple hundred. Was it my sperm that killed them, that did the trick? It is no longer possible for me to avoid this question of myself. Have you ever wondered how many men you killed? I know I murdered some of them. I just know. You know how you sometimes know things? I know. Several hundred over a bunch of years, I have to have murdered some of them, planting in him the original seed. I have put this to several doctors. Mostly they refuse to discuss it, even if they are gay. Most doctors do not like to discuss sex or what we do or did. (I still have not heard a consensus on the true dangers of oral sex, for instance.) They play blind. God knows what they must be thinking when they examine us. Particularly if they aren’t gay. One doctor answered me, it takes two to tango so you cannot take the responsibility alone. But in some cases it isn’t so easy to answer so flippantly. The sweet young boy who didn’t know anything and was in awe of me. I was the first man who (*)(*)(*)(*)ed him. I think I murdered him. The old boyfriend who did not want to go to bed with me and I made him. The man I let (*)(*)(*)(*) me because I was trying to make my then boyfriend, now lover, jealous. I know, by the way, that that other one is the one who infected me. You know how you sometime know things? I know he infected me. I tried to murder myself on that one.

 

1. True, the GOP Hopefuls can now "soundly denounce" the Court's ruling....while not promising to actually DO anything about it if they became President. (None of them actually with a shot will promise a "Constitutional Amendment to restore traditional marriage"....just idiots like Huckabee, Santorum, and Cruz.)

2. I'm glad you're in that group of Republicans who are beginning the process of kicking the Religious Right to the curb.

It's how you'll save your Party......oh, but you'll need to get rid of the Racists too.

 

The govt giving benefits to married people had purpose when the vast majority got married to support families. We NEED children. Now, not so much. We're importing them at about the same rate as legitimate ones=)

 

People already had equal rights

 

Did I label you a neo-marxist?

It is true that the Court upheld the present position of most Americans on the issue, certainly not that of 1861.

 

What stats? You want stats

Just this week, North Carolina became the 31st state in the country to adopt a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. They did so with 61 percent of the vote, Seems we dont vote that way. when the rubber hits the road

 

It's The right that has been carrying on and fighting this. Maybe now the right will stop whining and move on, but I doubt it.

 

Link? Proof? Anything?

 

Was joking...actually she said "Really? I guess that means the marriages of the RIGHTWINGERS are also null and void, huh?"

Smart lady.

 

Till they want to start wanting to marry children.

 

This week has really revealed who those people are. Today was a banner day for equality while yesterday was an unmitigated disaster for the rule of law in this country...

 

Oh really how many states voluntary enacted same sex marriage?

 

Prior to his 2012 re-election, he came out in support.

A majority of US voters didn't think that was an issue. 20 years ago, a presidential candidate pledging support for same-sex marriage would have struggled to win 30% of the national vote - and probably handed a unprecedented landslide victory to their anti-SSM opponent.

How times have changed eh!

 

I'm surprised it wasn't buy a wider margin, the 14th Amendment was damned black and white how can any Conservative oppose this on Constitutional grounds?