SWAMP Act Would Make Donald Trump Pay For His Own Visits To Mar-A-Lago

What world class resorts was Obama renting out?

 

Your inane strawman fallacies are duly noted and ignored.

Have a nice day!

 

I'm still trying to wrap my head around a $34,000 weekend golf cart rental how many golf carts are involved?

 

Ok Mr "secret service spent 97 million renting out couple rooms during Trump's numerous bussines meetings involving only 13 games of golf"

 

Okay, but what were the courses he "rented out", how many were there, and what did it cost taxpayers? Yes, I know he golfed in Hawaii. I did too. I didn't rent any courses out.

 

You arnt the president of the most powerful country on earth either

What? The secret service let Obama play with joes? With you? Like, anyone could walk on the golf course that President Obama is playing at? I thought not. If Obama wanted to watch a movie in theaters,the entire theater room will be rented out. If Obama stayed at a hotel, an entire floor will be rented out. If Obama wanted to play golf, an entire course will be rented out. This is common knowledge. And is done for security purposes. Dont pretend like you dont know.

 

Can you please answer my questions? What resorts did he rent out, how many were there, and what did it cost taxpayers? You ignored them and instead provided non-answers.

 

I ignored it because Im not Obamas book keeper and the details which you asked for are irrelevant and are beyond the scope of this thread. Thats why I decided to ignore your post the first time. What is relevant is that Obama cost taxpayers 97 million dollars since the topic of this is the cost. How Trumps 13 games of golf over the span of 100 days or so supposedly cost tax payers more money than Obamas 333+ games over the span of his his 8 year

What he did, where he stayed, how many people were there, or what he ate are all irrelevant details. Since the only detail that matters in the end is cost.

It is common knowledge that when a president goes somewhere that place is rented out to ensure security. Entire hotel floors, theater rooms, golf courses, etc. A point that you ignore . If you disagree with this common knowledge then I have nothing more to say to you

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one who made the claim that Obama rented out a ton of golf resorts? Then when pressed, you have no information to back your claim up, just "I'm not Obama's bookkeeper".

Can you show me something that proves that Obama's golf playing cost us $97 million in 8 years?

 

He obviously did If he went to play golf anywhere other Camp David or similar properties owned directly by the government. And he played 333+ games of golf. Clearly he played in more places other than the ones owned by our government. a lot more. And especially while he vacationed. And he did. And it was covered in the news.Unless you want to state the contrary? This is common sense. And Im not going to scrounge the internet looking for irrelevant details like "like how many people stayed there" on something that is common sense and when the only thing that matters is cost.




The OP's angle is that somehow Obamas 333+ games of golf while he vacationed or otherwise costs more than Trumps 13 games of golf playing on a property he owns. That it cost taxpayers more than 97 million. But it didn't. It costs the tax payers roughly 3 million. Trump has 94 million to go before he catches up to Obama.

 

In other words, you still have no answer. You also posted no sources to back up your claim that his golfing cost the taxpayers $97 million. That's because there is no validity to your claim. You mixed up your Obama memes. The total cost of his travel over the course of 8 years (personal and business) cost the taxpayers $96 million. It wasn't his golfing.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...avel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/

As of the middle of April, President Trump's travel has cost us $21 million for his jaunts to Mar-A-Lago.

 

There is precedence. Joe Biden received $2,000/month for the Secret Service to rent his guest house while he was VP, so this isn't a new concept. Peeps are just mad about the insanely high numbers. The Secret Service is likely paying a whole lot more to rent rooms at Mar-A-Lago.

I think it's discussion worth having. Is any amount okay, or at some point, is it too much?

 

So why did Trump take money out of his charity to pay a fine imposed on his private business?

 

You think that Trump closes his golf course to members when he is playing a round of golf?

 

Not according to the facts provided in the OP!

 

That's because the SS had to rent something, they wanted to rent it, and because it was a rental property. In other words, an income generating property for Biden. As I recall, the total of the lease contract was only $100,000.

 

You've basically re-stated what I said. It's not about the renting, it's about the amount of the rent. What amount is too high?

 

No. Details like "how many people stayed there" and such are irrelivant.
Sigh. I keep telling you that the only thing that matters in the end is cost. That 97 million is the total cost of all of his vacationing. While he golfed or otherwise. Does the cost of Trump staying at Mar-a-Lago not count if he doesn't golf? Thats stupid.

The problem, and the point that Im arguing against, is not only the cost (which most sources estimate to be about 3-3.5 million in about mid April(curious where you got 21 million from)), but people trying to equate Trumps gateways where he meets people like the president of china and the prime minister of japan, to Obamas gateways where he does nothing but golf. One is working. One is not. Even when a disaster struck.

Many sources liberal sources try to spin Trumps activity at Mar-a-Lago as him vacationing there when he is in fact working and is holding many meeting there. It like calling this

From your source
(Washington DC)—Judicial Watch announced today that it has received new documents from both the Secret Service and the Air Force relating to Obama travel expenses, bringing the known total over the past eight years to $96,938,882.51. The reports contain information regarding Obama’s Earth Day trip to the Florida Everglades, a political fundraising trip to San Diego, Michelle Obama’s annual Aspen ski trip, her trip to Morocco, a family vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, as well as Hillary’s ride with Obama on Air Force One to North Carolina.

“The Obamas’ notorious abuse of presidential travel perks wasted military resources and stressed the Secret Service. Judicial Watch estimates that the final costs of Obama’s unnecessary vacation and political travel will well exceed $100 million,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.

And heres where your bias is obvious. Trumps visits to Mar a Logo has been clearly more for business than for pleasure. His only real gateway there has been during Christmas. Otherwise he was Meeting with world leaders. Business leaders. Political leaders. Wile you're not including similar trips that Obama took (his more professional trips), you include those things in Trumps cost just because it takes place at a place that he owns.

If Trump had stayed at his club purely for leisure like he did for Christmas then you can count the cost like you do with Obama. If he stays there for business like he did almost every other time that he stayed there then you don't count the cost like you do with Obama.

You use a different standart for Trump than you use with Obama.

 

Yes. Especially during his meeting with people like the president of China or the prime mister of Japan.

 

Those normally claiming they favor less government spending will, of course, object to this, because reasons.

 

Not facts just more fake news with thier fake spins. Is your argument really that Trump spent 100 million staying at Mar-a-Lago? Is that the claim that your source is making?

No. Like another member of this forum tres, it counts Trumps professional trips while not counting Obamas. Most of his stays at Mar a Logo involved meeting with world leaders, business leaders, and political leader.

Your counting trumps stays involving professional meeting while not counting Obamas.

Thats why the huffpost link that you provided provides no fact based on numbers. They didn't provide any numbers at all actually. Just the biased opinions of old Obama officials suddenly interested in ethics. The only thing that they are basing the post on is their own bias using others peoples biased opinions. And thats why its fake news.

Source a link involving actual facts that are based on real numbers and then we'll talk

 

Have you ever played an 18 round game of golf - it takes practically all day. You really think that the golf course will be closed to members all day and on both days of every weekend he has been there, the weekend being the busiest time of any week for any golf course. Why have you added the word "especially" as it is surely redundant to your assertion that the golf course is closed to everyone when Trump is playing.

 

If by all day you mean 4 hours, then yes.

I say especially because thats especially when a security risk like that would be unacceptable. If something happened to Xi while he golfed at Mar a Logo........

It could cause a war