Syria doesnt want us there. Turkey doesnt want us there. Why should we be there?

That's what I'm hearing from those within the U.S. military, CIA, Russia, Assad, Israel, etc.

Kill them all ASAP.

But that wouldn't be politically correct would it ?

 

Believe me.... you want us there. I know most Trump supporters are not able to foresee the consequence of Trump's actions beyond a couple of weeks, but they will not be fun.

Forget about "leading by..." anything. Trump lost that for us during his first year in office. Now what concerns is not losing all semblance of trust. If we completely lose that also, it will take decades to recover it.

 

Cyprus is the exception not the rule. The majority of peacekeeping mission have ended up badly either for the troops or for the civilians. If you're not prepare to retaliate with overwhelming force, there's no point of trying to make yourself a target from both camp.

 

I didn't know what we were doing in Syria constituted a "peacekeeping mission". It seemed more like a "stake out a position and kill the bad guys if you have an opportunity" mission.

 

we're talking about syria... Where do you think I was alluding to?

"Too many coups and assassinations."

You've just describe almost all of the middle east, africa, asia, central & south america...

 

Nope.. I lived in the ME a long, long time.. Syria is the worst.

 

Except Trump hasn't actually withdrawn troops from Syria. All he did was move a small contingent of special forces out of northern Syria so that Turkey could invade and massacre the Kurds: Source.

 

With 1,000 soldiers... Nah, those were liason, trainer, forward observer, ect... Their role was never to be between two oposing faction preventing them to go at each other. They were there to help one faction defeat one enemy, which they did. Now unless you wanted them to take one side over another between a nato modern and trained ally and a ragtag force of irregular and terrorist (pkk). Unless you want to go to war with one of them, you don't have any other choice but to leave.

 

If Trump were smart, he would have been working behind the scenes, negotiating a deal with the Syrian and Russian governments that ensured the safety of the Kurds in exchange for a total withdrawal of US forces. But Trump is not smart, so here we are. And let's not forget: Trump hasn't withdrawn US forces from Syria. All he did was make room for a Turkish invasion of northern Syria. It's the absolute worst of both worlds.

 

Syria is the worst, but that's not really giving praise to the other ME nations. The gulf states are rich, but the rest are either an active war zone (syria, yemen) or one simmering slowly toward either absolute dictature (egypt) or civil war (lebanon, jordan).
My new GF is lebanese BTW. Her family is still there and she visit twice a year.

 

The vacuum in Syria was created by the US government's proxy war on the Syrian state.

 

Why? Why wouldn't the danger someday abate? Sooner or later most groups do make peace

Syria is in an area like the Balkans or Southeast Asia, it is called a "shatter zone"; several different cultures run into each other and the potential for conflict is historically constant, but it is only POTENTIAL not actuality all the time, they can have long periods of peace if measures are taken and properly employed, and isn't that really the same as anywhere?

 

I think you've confused Assad with the Saudis.

 

That means it would have been a move against Turkey, a nato ally. The US would lose the big airbase there and access to the black sea through the strait. It would also mean that turkey would move toward Iran and Russia. All this to save the live of PKK members...

 

Yeah, Assad is all flower and candy... Those were giant candied apple he was dropping from his helicopters on the civilians bellow and they had the ingratitude of dying in response...

 

The only reason ISIS was able to gain a foothold in Syria is because the Obama administration waged a proxy war against the Syrian state.

If the US would simply leave Syria (which Trump hasn't done, despite his claims), then Syria could return to its pre-ISIS status quo.

 

I'm sick and tired of the USA being blamed for interfering in world affairs, and then being blamed for not interfering. Let the dysfunction '***** in the Mid East kill each other. Let Turks kill Kurds, Iranians kill everyone else, and when the dust settles and the blood dries, the US and the rest of the world can deal with who ever the hell is still standing.

 

bridge too far.

 

I think you re being ridiculous and don't know who your friends are.

 

Incorrect.

Turkey benefits greatly from its NATO membership. Kicking the US out of Turkey would effectively end its status as a NATO member. Simply not going to happen.

This is just baseless nonsense. Your specialty.

 

The US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria for years. It's why Syria became destabilized in the first place. But as our resident Saudi apologist, you are loath to admit the connection.

 

Thanks for bringing up another important fact. We didn't even leave Syria. We just initiated another war by our allies against allies, a quid pro war pitting one friend over another. Completely sickening and I'd be surprised if any of our allies ever trusted us again. Just another day of Trump destroying this countries reputation.

And yes, there was no negotiating done between parties. It is a closed doors quid quo pro between a dictator Erdogan and Trump. Indescribable.

 

ISIS and Al Qaeda are just Saudi proxies. Everyone in the world knows this.

 

I am not confused at all .. it is you who puts forth this nonsensical and confused argument - that because these extremist Islamist groups fight once in awhile that they both do not stem from the same ideology.

The ideology El Saud is radical Islamist extremism - Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian Orwellian nightmare. Al Qaeda/ ISIS and these other Islamist extremist groups want to bring the Saudi inspired Strict Sharia nightmare to Syria - and the people of Syria don't want this.

Your claims with respect to Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda being enemies are laughable - they have been fighting together in Yemen for years.

As VP Biden tells us:

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

Just because El Saud and its Al Qaeda Child have had issues with each other - does not mean Saudi Arabia did not use Al Qaeda and other Salafi extremists of the same ilk - as a proxy army to fight against Assad.

So if not from the US and Saudi Arabia - as you have been laughably claiming - where did these radical Islamist's get the massive amounts of equipment and support required to take on a nation state from ? Santa ?

 

Just give a hundred Syrian widows, some sharp butcher knives, and let them saw their heads off. It's what ISIS does to everyone they don't like. Problem solved.