Tamir rice protesters want cleveland prosecutor to step down

What a crock of shyt. So these officers should hang back from an armed person when no one else is around? For what? So he can run away from the area ditch the gun.... Hide from police.... That's not the way it works. And they are suppose to wait for back up position their cars defensively, far away, because he MAY be armed. Lol who ever this is, is a clown with an agenda. Yes I read his qualifications. How did this guy ever win the big race. I'm sorry this guy isn't being objective this is obviously a biased "report" and I want to know if this is the official report or just an expose' off his opinion

 

So in your mind if someone pointed at you and told a cop you were armed that cop would be fully justified in shooting you without first assessing the situation?

 

Worse than that if your read it critically he is trying to use officer Garmback decision to drive up to Tamir as evidence of officer Loehmann's recklessness. Its absolute crap.

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Yes but I'm not that stupid.

 

That comment makes no sense.

 

Makes perfect sense or did you forget your question? Cops pull up on me I aint reaching for (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

So some guy who hasn't declared if this is an official report, lives out in Cali, works out in Cali had no real inside information, just what was released to the public as far as what I can tell, wrote up his opinion. I mean even the pics he uses are other people's pics with their comments on them. That suggests he did not perform a professional report. Also and here's the big part. This was a PRELIMINARY. This is before any real investigation was done. Lol give me something current. Give the actual final official report.

 

It gets better, as far as I can tell that was not the official report. Just some clown in California's opinion. And even it says preliminary investigation. I mean come on. Post something relavent. I mean this guy doesn't even say that anyone retained his services in performing this work. It's rediculous

 

Yeah I suspected this was just some bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Them assessing the situation means investigating. That means they go up to the person and investigate. If that person gave them a reason to believe he had a weapon yes drawing on them is warranted. If they give them a reason that may try to use that weapon, then yes deadly force is warranted.

Regardless of the BS your trying to push. No one called these cops up said Ramirez was armed so they just rode up and shot him. He gave them a reason to and it was going for that gun. Wether his intentions were to just show it to them, put it on the ground..... The police don't know what your intentions are, so they will protect themselves. You go for a gun they will use deadly force. It's nothing new. And it's completely justified

 

I agree, the officer thought wrongly that it was a real gun.... that is my point, the officer was wrong

now, I do not fault the officer for being wrong... it was a accident, but businesses are sued for accidental deaths they cause all the time

a cop can "think" they were right... and still be "wrong", in this case they were wrong, it was not a real gun

because they "thought" they were right, it's not a crime and is considered a justified shoot, but they were still "wrong", with hindsight that is easy to see

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How can it be relevant when no one saw the tip of the gun including the police!
You're really asking why a child has his toy gun in his waistband? Have you never played cowboys and indians! Where else is he going to put it after he got bored playing with it? Would it have made any difference if it was in his pocket.

As for your statement regarding what was said, read the report! You're making things up as you go along.

 

Please give me the report. And don't let it be that sorry piece from California the other guy tried to pass as the report. It's relevant because if he carried it in his dip then he obviously wanted it to look like a weapon. And if your insinuating he was playing Cowboys and Indians with that gun, now who's making stuff up. That's gotta be the funniest thing I ever heard. I don't know about where he is from but in a lot of major cities, like Baltimore, it is a crime to be in possession of a BB gun that is spring loaded or gas discharged. So plenty relevant.

 

It's on the first page!

You have not stated what part of his body or clothing you would accept is a reasonable place to keep his toy gun on him or are you going to ignore that.

It appears you are now stating that it is reasonable to shoot someone because he is carrying an illegal BB gun - you are all over the place.

 

So what is your point exactly? Did they ACT wrongly? Are you just desperate to point blame at them? You seem intent in getting "police" and "wrong" in the same sentence.

 

A BB gun shouldn't have been carried. A toy gun is usually held in the hand when it's being played with. I have never seen anyone put a "toy" gun down their pants unless they wanted people to think it's real.

What I'm saying is that gun he shouldn't have had period so it shouldn't have been anywhere on him. Is that clear enough for you

And please show me where I said it's reasonable to shoot someone for having a bad gun. I made no such blanket statement so stop pretending I did. Given the totality of these events that shoot was fully justified. Kid made a stupid decision and it ended up costing him his life.

 

my point is, the cops were wrong, it was not a real gun, they thought it was, it was an accident

I am stating the facts, you seem to not like the facts

 

The only thing on the first page is a news article. Unless you took that as the report.... Please provide me with the actually report on this incident if you have it

 

You do realize cops are allowed to be wrong.... That's what trials are for. If they are wrong it comes out in trial. But what they did was not wrong. It was by the book and a justified shoot. Thats why the legal system which is no way attached to the police dept cleared the officers of wrong doing.

 

Where should he have put it after he stopped playing with it?

So why bring up the legality of a BB gun?

I see that you have now gone away from stating that the police ordered the boy to do anything so at least there is some acknowledgement on what really happened. What reason did the LEO have for lying? The video evidence shows that there was no time for any words to be said.

 

yes, I never said they were not

Carnivals can wrongly think a ride is safe too, but they can also sometimes be wrong.... accidents happen

that is what I said should happen, a civil trial to see if its a wrongful death or not.....

read my earlier posts, I said this is NOT a criminal issue, it's a civil one, the cops were justified in shooting based on what they knew then, they did not know they were wrong at the time

had the dispatcher of gave them better information, they may have handled it differently

I think the city will lose the civil suit

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My answer is he shouldn't have been playing with it. That's like asking where the drug dealer should have put his drugs when he's done selling. Neither of them should have it to put anywhere.

The officers stated that they told him to put it down. Unless you gave proof that that didn't happen, it's moot to argue. Proof of a lie? I can speak while getting out of a car, drawing a weapon.... So proof or admit your wrong

 

This isn't even a civil suit. Some people are posting "reports" stating the gun was never drawn or shown. How can it be mistaken unless it was?

Also a wrongful death civil suit would mean the police were wrong for killing him and they weren't. There is nothing criminal or civil to bring to court

 

Oh, I see, so a 12 year old can't kill you if he shoots you in the head with what for all you know could be a real gun? A 12 year old is smart enough to pull a trigger, and the cop didn't know the gun wasn't real. Stop playing the damned age card and pretending that because the child is 12 he's somehow harmless even when he appears to have a real gun.

Nevermind, I just remembered the 12 year old was black and the cop was white, so this is obviously a racially motivated killing, the racist white cop should have used his psychic abilities to ascertain that the gun wasn't real.

There, I said it, now hopefully I can get invited to the all white limousine liberal cocktail parties and we can all pretend to care about the plight of people who we'd be too afraid to associate with in real life.

 

A 12yr old unjustly lost his life what do you call it.

All of that amounts to nothing but making excuses, had this kid been in a predominately white neighborhood in the same setting he would not have pulled up with guns a blazing.

 

So you must be in favour of banning the use of all toy guns that could be mistaken for a real gun in public areas, and private areas that are in view of anyone located in a public area.

The officer stated that he said it 3 times - what did he shout out three times?. Now try saying out aloud any sentence three times in a coherent manner in less than 2 seconds. And also, put what down? Are you really going to maintain that the LEO ordered the boy three times to put the gun onto the ground? How was he supposed to do that without touching the gun!