Ted Kennedy Created This Immigration Mess.

When you declare your opinion as fact as you continuously do, you show yourself to be inept.

You have never worked in or around the area of immigration, repeating this blatant lie is

We already have that. They can even come here for college education without an expectation of becoming a citizen. If you worked around immigration at all, you would already know this.

States already give substantial tax breaks to companies that they try to get to move into their state.

That's already in place, the problem is getting them to leave when their visa expires.

They already have that ability.

Some states already have it.

Your opinion hardly metes out that outcome.

SSN has been required for work since 1936.

 

Lots of good points, but nobody has the right to come here. It is a privilege. Only a right to those born here legally.

 

This is even more ridiculous than the previous nonsense!

Please notice that the entire ME is only 17% of Islam - a small minority of the Islamic population.

And, those in the ME who want to fight us comprise a tiny minority - in other words, a tiny minority of the small minority.


Besides, it's a gigantic mistake for us to think about it in terms like that. First of all, religious conflict with the US or Christianity is NOT the issue that has people there upset. (A good thing, because we are certainly not going to convert them to some other religion!)

How about we back off the Islam thing and start thinking about what the issues actual are?

 

A) We can't go to open borders. And, once we admit that we are back to pretty much where we are today.

B) That requires the ID verification that you seem to oppose. Besides, doesn't this just push for having employers use contractors? That is, if I own a restaurant and contract with a wait staff management organization I can have an all-foreign staff while having no foreign employees! I think your B had good intent, but it isn't going to get the results you want.

I'm not a fan of national ID, but we do need to be able to detect who is a US citizen.

C) Your direction includes having large numbers of "guest workers" who are disenfranchised - whose interests have no representation. That is not good for the USA. We are better off when we allow those living here to vote - a principle we believe in. And, again you are requiring the ability to detect who is a citizen.

D) well, I absolutely do not accept this even slightly. We've made huge civil rights progress in the US, and going back to the bad old days is going to get my full throated opposition.

E) This is just a fail. It doesn't accomplish anything. Americans should learn more languages. My niece and nephew attend a public school in OR where some classes are taught in Spanish and some are taught in English. Some students are native Spanish speakers. We should start seeing foreign language speakers as the ASSET they are.

 

This where you are wrong. It's okay to be mistaken. Citizenship is a privilege; Liberty is a God given unalienable Right.

http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/immigration-the-constitution-and-liberty/ Extremely important link

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/illegalrights.htm

https://www.quora.com/Do-undocument...ghts-in-the-US-If-so-what-rights-do-they-have

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...o_noncitizens_have_constitutional_rights.html

 

so our immigration policies should be racist?

they were before 1965.

not only were they racist, but they greatly favored people from northwest Europe over folks from Southeastern Europe.

many millions of Jews could have been saved during WW2, if it was not for these rules

 

Benjamin Franklin once said that "he who would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary deserves neither Liberty nor Safety." I guess we know where you stand.

A Guest Worker program would include the employee's Taxpayer Identification Number versus the worker's SSN. The SSN is verification enough that an employer hired an American.

 

So a quote regarding tax is now a quote of liberty? https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ben-franklin-really-said

 

Please don't crap out on me here - I thought you wanted a discussion. I showed your ideas are not internally consistent - regardless of what either of us think about safety.

And, no, employers don't know who is a citizen and who is not a citizen. Either you provide a way for them to determine that, or you decide to not care.

Plus, our borders are NEVER going to be fully closed, as our borders are way too long and we are going to allow people to visit, go to our universities, etc. More than 40% of those here without papers came by legal means and then just stayed. We can reduce that, maybe, but we are not going to prevent it.

 

Citizenship is a privilege. Liberty is not breaking our laws, and thinking you have some kind of right to live here. If the feds have no business regulating immigration, then the States certainly do.

 

Many states have it written directly into their Constitutions. Even the Articles of Confederation recognized the ability of a state to deny entry to whom they chose. Article 4 of the AoC.

 

immigration is an international issue, hence governed by the Federal govt.

 

Many states had immigration issues written into the state Constitutions, the feds didn't take over immigration fully until 1884 and the Head Money Cases.

 

it doesn't take a genius to understand that this is a Federal issue.

 

Really? Do you truly not understand immigration laws and how and when they were implemented? You seem to be trying to run up your post count verse knowing what is being stated.

 

,,,and they are doing a terrible job.