Ten to fifteen thousand US citizens stranded in Afghanistan. Unbelievable!

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  1. Bearack

    Bearack Well-Known Member

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    Here... I'll make it simple for you. This is ALL Trumps fault and Biden was elected to fix all of Trumps mistakes.. This was ALL Trumps decisions to close our air bases and military bases before getting Americans and allies out. Could we now start fixing this FlusterCluck since there are actually American lives and ally lives at stake here? Just drop the GD politics as this is the biggest hot mess since the Bay of Pigs!
     
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    He made "A" deal that was based on specific conditions.

    TRUMP IS NOT PREISDENT stop try to hid Biden behind his skirts. Biden has done the exact opposite of every Trump plan he runs into.
     
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    And you just proved the OP correct in regards to partisan blame games.

    Par for the course.
     
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    They did not abide not is was not in play.
     
  5. Bearack

    Bearack Well-Known Member

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    So, what's an acceptable number for you to expedite a rescue? If there 2 Americans, maybe 25... 500? You pick the number!
     
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    can someone, anyone, provide some actual information that shows they are "trapped"?

    can someone, anyone, provide some actual information that shows the Taliban stopping foreigners from getting to the airport?

    can someone, anyone, provide some actual information that shows the Taliban targeting foreigners and doing them harm since all this started?
     
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    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Then consider me unpatriotic, the US got lucky as hell, allied with two other big powers(Russia/UK) and thought that was the way to conduct foreign policy for the rest of time. And then the rest of time told them: No, that was fortitude, not sound foreign policy. And after continually getting smacked around everywhere, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
     
  8. Bearack

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    Um... the US State department....



    And the problem lies with the Taliban blocking access to the Airport.

    https://twitter.com/saraecook/status/1427693329249099795?s=20

    Again I ask, what is an acceptable number of Americans or it's allies to abandon?
     
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    Maybe you should listen to Gen Milley and the Sect of Defense press conference that just took place. It'll catch you up, so yes they are scrambling to get Americans out. President Biden made the decision on April 14th, 2021. The Joint Chiefs and Sect of Defense had and presented several plans that BIDEN CHOSE from. They said they had planned on the contingency that we're in right now. Gen Milley said we're going to get all Americans out that want out if they get the go, which is going to lead to some dangerous situation for our soldiers and citizens. Oh we also didn't have enough assets to keep both airports open which resulted in a lot of people being stuck once the military jetted. They have to til August 31st to get everyone out.

    This is a disaster and everybody is starting to point the finger. Milley said Biden approved the plan with the contingencies. Their job is control the airport and it's the state departments job to get them to the airport. Wow this is going to get real ugly for everyone, what a f'ing cluster f**&. You can tell the military is ready to kick the Taliban ass and get our people out which will lead to bloodshed.
     
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    Nothing from that guy about anyone being abandoned.

    and it seems that our allies are the ones that abandoned us when their 300,000 strong army walked away from their duties.
     
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    Nope... He said shelter in place and those still there are being asked to make it to the Airport. So if the Taliban is blocking access to the Airport, is our Military going to get those US and ally citizens? Nope!

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    ↑ It's up to you to get there through a hostile force. The US will not guarantee their safety... That is abandonment!

    If you can't see this is a hot mess, then you are merely drinking the GD Koolaid!
     
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    Can you provide something showing that the Taliban is blocking access to the airport for foreigners?

    And again, who are these people and why were they there?

    Yes, it is hot mess, without a doubt. That is why hysterics and hyperbole are not really needed
     
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    So your just making threads giving your opinion without knowing what's going on?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=tal...69i57j0i3l7.5567j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    It's literally EVERYWHERE. I guess your just choosing to not pay attention?

    From CNN
    Defense Officials Sidestep Concerns over Taliban Blocking Off Airport Entry
    Thousands Stranded After Taliban Block Off Kabul Airport, ‘Near-Empty’ Evac Flights Departing

    Again, what is an acceptable number for you? You seem to intentionally evade this question?
     
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    It is not about the specific number, I was laughing at how the number keeps growing every time the story is told.
     
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    You can't get to the Airport entrance. Seriously, even CNN is saying that there is a major disconnect with what this administration is saying to the reality on the ground. Wait.....
     
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    Has it EVER occured to this Thread starter that there was not a single
    american soldier killed this year.Part of Trumps agreement.If just one soldier
    is killed he will bomb the hell out of the Taliban.He repeated that decision last
    night on Hannity.
    So WHY was Slow,Cranky Joe in such an all fire hurry to vacate Afghanistan.
    Not even making sure to let americans safely leave.Nor the hardware
    of Weapons,ammo,even Helicopters,considered.
     
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  21. Bearack

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    Brits are even saying they have 2,000 civilians trapped there. Again, I honestly don't care if it's 1,000 or 10,000.... The US government has a responsibility to ensure it's citizens are safe. Do you honestly disagree with that?
     
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    He left months later than Trump's time line, hardly seems an all fired hurry.

    Why did all that stuff not get taken out when we went from 14,000 to 2500 in less than 2 years? Seems that 11,500 people would have been far better suited to take all our stuff with them than the 2500 left behind
     
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    Honestly, it depends why they are there and if they ignored calls to leave when they had a chance.
     
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    That's the crux of the argument in that Biden told everyone that there was very little chance Afghanistan would fall. It fell in record time, days matter of fact, due to MASSIVE incompetence. The US government should have seen the signs and prepared an exit strategy for those citizens so that it didn't resemble that of the fall of Saigon, to which the POTUS guaranteed would not happen!

    And these people have been there at the behest of the US government. They built schools, churches, infrastructure, hospitals and were under the false guise their government would protect them...
     
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    Just today of Biden's defense secretary!



    Longer version of Q&A.

     
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