Texas shooter struggled with mental health, family dysfunction, was fascinated with guns

Do you have any kind of data on the number of people killed by other people's obesity? It sounds like that information is based on indirect causes and effect. Which is a very loose way to pen the blame on someone, no reasonable court would charge someone with charges like manslaughter for driving while obese, at the same time, it would be unreasonable to not charge someone with manslaughter if they mishandled a firearm and killed someone with a stray bullet. The study seems to blame accidents on things like drowsiness, while singling out obesity as a cause for drowsiness

In regards to stray bullets, here are some numbers on that, the research is a bit outdated, but you can clearly see a regular occurrence of injuries and fatalities from stray bullets

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201323

As for the numbers you posted on mass shootings, those numbers are based on research from the CPRC, which doesn't base its research on the median rate at which people are killed from mass shootings, but is instead based on overall fatalities within a time window. The problem with this method is countries like Norway are literally based on a single mass shooting in which 66 people were killed. Also worth noting that this was an attack from an organized terrorist group involving multiple attackers and explosives, and was not a lone psycho that simply purchased a legal firearm.

Regardless of that, when going by the median numbers, the numbers within the same time window look like this


Typical (Median) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):

1. United States — 0.058
2. Albania — 0
3. Austria — 0
4. Belgium — 0
5. Czech Republic — 0
6. Finland — 0
7. France — 0
8. Germany — 0
9. Italy — 0
10. Macedonia — 0
11. Netherlands — 0
12. Norway — 0
13. Russia — 0
14. Serbia — 0
15. Slovakia — 0
16. Switzerland — 0
17. United Kingdom — 0
    
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
    
    
    The US is the only country with a median number, since the US is the only country in that group of countries to experience a regular reoccurrence of mass shootings within that time window. Also worth noting that this time window pre-dates the two biggest mass shootings the US has seen in modern history

 

I’ll use Covid here for numbers because it’s a nice recent example that should be fresh in your mind.

So, let’s examine the issue of evidence first. Did you accept that individuals who refused to wear quality masks and social distance put others at risk from Covid? A simple yes or no will suffice. Then we can get into actual numbers available to us by examining test results and research.

Thanks. I’ll accept those numbers even though they come from journalists, not the scientific community or experts on firearms or ballistics. I will point out my already provided studies are all the product of the scientific method whereas your data set is essentially a product of what a biased demographic (journalists) chose to report on or not report on. The same journalists who say things like “30 caliber magazines”.

I won’t be using what journalists choose to report on in my argument, but I’ll accept that for your side of the argument for sake of comparison.

Yes, I’m well aware of the source and the conclusions.

I appreciate you helping me buttress my position that I’m concerned about people’s lives whereas you are more concerned with a narrative. As I correctly pointed out, over the time period of the analysis an individual in the US was at far less risk from mass shooting than in many other countries. I care nothing for medians. I care about how likely someone is to die. That’s it. I wish to protect human life, you wish to restrict access to a specific item regardless of whether or not it actually saves lives based on incorrect and spun statistics.

I’m aware of the spin others have provided you to distract you from the reality of the per capita (death rates) deaths from mass shootings in other countries. But again, I’m not interested in anything but preventing deaths.

On the Norway mass shooting I’m going to give you one more chance to correct your errors. Then I’m going to have to assume you are being disingenuous and trying to pass disinformation or you are so steeped in disinformation provided to you by others further conversation is not productive.

 

Since 2017, there have been 54 mass shootings in the US (4+ deaths).

But that appalling and shameful number won't be enough to trigger any thought in you.

 

Not true.

 

in California-in the last 30 years, the average number of people killed in this huge state, per year is LESS THAN FIVE. every weekend in Democrat strongholds such as Chicago, DC, Baltimore, etc, far more than five are murdered. The vast majority of gunshot murders are perpetrated by people who already are barred by law, from possessing firearms, and most of their victims are felons, close associates of felons or juvenile record offenders. Why should those of us who use firearms legally engage in the shedding of crocodile tears like some of the anti gun advocates do. Pretending anti freedom schemes are actually doing SOMETHING positive about crime is a far worse facade and farce than someone not giving a damn about a tragedy they had nothing to do with

 

To prove that things are not so bad in the US, you have to take the example of child soldiers in Africa....

 

How does what you just wrote justify that madmen can get assault rifles without any difficulty?

 

well sadly when you are ignorant of what an assault rifle is, I really don't feel a need to try to answer a question based on such a massive error. NO AMERICAN citizen has ever been murdered by a legally and privately owned assault rifle in US HISTORY.

 

So are speed limits . Where are you from, Montana?

 

How do you propose those "mad men" be identified?

 

So are securement laws and gun registries.

 

That one kid is packing an FN FAL. That weapon makes an AR-15 look like a BB gun.

 

got three-ergonomics are awesome. Only drawback , mounting a scope

 

people who think those who premeditate mass murders will obey a Democrat proposed gun control law?

 

Why do you say it will trigger no thought in me? I’m about the only one here concerned about the actual deaths from these incidents and the only one even aware of many causes of violent behavior.

Would you like to dispute any of the FACTS I’ve presented, or just engage in thinly veiled ad hominem?

Why are you opposed to facts? What’s wrong with basing our discussions on actual death rates? I’ve been very clear saving human life is my goal. Yours seems to be something else….

 

No, they know they won't. It's all about banning gun ownership.

 

but that it is not objectively accurate to say that those other countries are at greater risk. If we are in fact discussing risk (how likely someone is to die), then that risk factor consists in the probability of the occurrence happening again. If we are to ignore the rate at which the incident reoccurs, and instead go off of numbers that are determined by a single event (literally 1 mass shooting in Norway in that time window), then we are not being realistic about the actual risk at play. We should also consider the fact that 7 of the US's 10 the deadliest mass shootings have all occurred within the past 10 years. In fact 5 of these incidents occurred after the year 2015, which is also the cut off year for the numbers you presented. The attacks in Norway happened over 10 years ago, and they haven't had a mass shooting since then. It is not honest to say that people in Norway are at greater risk than the people in the US. As for the attack in Norway, it was 8 people killed by car bomb, and 67 killed by firearm. I misspoke when I said multiple attackers, there were multiple attacks, but they were from the same person. The attacker could not purchase 30 round magazines in Norway, so he got them from a US seller. Since then Norway has been establishing newer restrictions on firearm purchases. The fact of the matter is this is still a reoccurring problem in the US, and the US is the only country with this problem

 

No, Trannies don't generally shoot people. Indeed very few people shoot people. Even less if they don't get assault rifles.

 

The inference of potency firearms present makes males particularly vulnerable to their charm.

 

You're defending a system that allows American madmen to be the best armed in the world.

54 mass shootings in 5 years is not enough for you ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Because you try to minimize the gravity of tragedies according to the number of inhabitants of the country where they occur.

As if human life had less importance in a populated country.

As if the death of 60 innocent people in a shooting was no big deal because the US has 400 million people....

This is a totally stupid reasoning.

 

It's impossible.

A psychotic can function normally in society for years and then one day decide to walk into a school with his AR-15 and slaughter everyone.

The proliferation of guns makes it possible to fulfill the murderous fantasies of all US lunatics.

That's why we need strict measures to control access to guns.

 

I don't care what your reason for hiding is.

 

Wonder why Mexico is not on that list? People who are anti gun won’t point to other nations that are worse.

 

So you’re anti second amendment… did you know that more people are murdered by blunt objects than murder by all rifles combined each year?
The real problem is not guns it’s that liberals would rather see people get out of prison early, do away with the death penalty, and make excuses for POC that are violent offenders. Liberals are harboring the culture of violence

 

Semi-automatic rifles are used in fewer murders than knives...lol