Texas shooter struggled with mental health, family dysfunction, was fascinated with guns

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    A psycho can do the same thing with any weapon. Did the Boston bombers use guns? Hell no. They used cookware.
     
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    If very few people shoot people then why should very many people be blocked from gun ownership?
     
  3. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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  4. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    When 60 Americans die each month from mass killings committed with cookware, there will be measures taken to regulate them severely.

    Meanwhile, mass killings and the vast majority of murders in the US are committed with guns.
     
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    Yes it’s accurate to say an individual in these other countries was at more risk of dying in a mass shooting than an individual in the US.

    There was no terrorist organization behind the Norway shooting. He bought his weapons legally by applying through a process you have proposed for the US. He could have purchased magazines for his rifle I Sweden legally but they were cheaper in the US. The magazines for the handgun he used were legally purchased in Norway.

    I’m genuinely curious about the volume of disinformation I get in these discussions. Either there is complete lack of knowledge or people are trying to intentionally mislead me. If the vast majority of information I used to come to my conclusions was routinely shown to be false, I would re-asses my position. When I’m presented streams of disinformation in these discussions, the suppliers just move on and supply more false information. If my sources of information were routinely shown to be misleading me I would broaden my base of sources and begin to question why I was being misled.

    I’m going to assume since you didn’t answer the question about Covid mitigations you are conceding that obesity is far more harmful/lethal to others than stray projectiles reported on by the people continually misleading you.

    A bit of trivia. Norway has had a mass shooting since 2011. Well, kind of. Five dead and four wounded with arrows and knives. Giving China a run for it’s money!
     
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  7. Turtledude

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    hiding? I am educating you so that you can actually participate in a conversation with those of us who are not woefully ignorant about the terms/ The term assault rifle was coined in the mid to latter stages of WWII for a specific military action that required fully automatic suppressive fire against a fixed position. Normally, that would be accomplished by a crew served machine gun, but in the fast moving street fighting of venues such as Stalingrad, Russian or German machine gun crews were usually lagging behind the infantry patrols. So a select fire carbine that could serve both as a battle rifle for standard infantry and-when used in a group on full automatic, could substitute for the heavier machine gun to suppress a fortified position's return fire, so as to allow a demolition team-using bazooka, flame-throwers or satchel charges =to get close enough to destroy the position. Calling anything that doesn't have a select fire capability is lacking the one feature necessary for military assault, an assault weapon is incredibly dishonest
     
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    No. I’m attempting to solve the problem—madmen. I care about reducing violence and death. You only care about guns. Mostly just mass shootings which are statistically insignificant forms of harm to others in comparison to other forms of harm to others.


     
  9. Arkanis

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  10. Arkanis

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    You will never solve it.

    No country has managed to do it anyway.

    The only way is to reduce the amount of guns in circulation and make it very difficult to acquire them.

    But that's the part you don't want to hear.
     
  11. Oldyoungin

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    Hes said rifle from the beginning not all fire arms.
     
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  12. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I don't give a damn about your definition of an assault rifle or how you classify an AR-15.

    That's not the point.

    Guns kill 60 innocent Americans a month in mass shootings and it is almost always a semi-auto that is used.
     
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    Really? So explain the lack of mass shootings in the past when firearms were MORE accessible. Go ahead….

    And no we will probably never solve it because you don’t want to address the real issue.
     
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    I said all “rifles” combined. Not all guns. The AR is also a rifle
     
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    Handguns are the guns most commonly used in mass shootings. Sorry to ruin your narrative.

    "Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 146 different handguns being used in 98 incidents between 1982 and June 2022. These figures are calculated from a total of 129 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 76 percent of mass shootings."

    • Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2021 | Statista
     
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    Let's hear you plan. How you going to keep illegal guns out of the bad guy's hands?
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised that that information would not be known by him. He didn't even get the correct number of deaths from mass shootings correct.

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/mass-shootings-in-america/

    That averages out to about 10 per mass shootings.
     
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  18. Arkanis

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    How many mass shootings in the last 10 years have been committed with illegally acquired guns?

    Very few.

    Why not? Because crazy people can get them legally.

    Guns are severely regulated in every other nation in the West and they have only a small fraction of the mass shootings that occur here.
     
  19. Arkanis

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    The families of the victims don't care what kind of gun their loved ones were killed with.
     
  20. Trixare4kids

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    The above is a deflection and does not answer my question.
    I will assume that you have no plan to get illegal guns out of the hands of mass shooters...
     
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  21. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Deflection comes from you.

    Your excuse for not doing anything is that mass murderers will get guns illegally.

    This is not true.

    The proliferation of guns is the problem.
     
  22. Trixare4kids

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    Yet, you're the poster who made the type of gun an issue, (you said it is almost always a semi-auto that is used) I simply pointed out that you were incorrect.
    See your original post.

    Arkanis said:
    I don't give a damn about your definition of an assault rifle or how you classify an AR-15.

    That's not the point.

    Guns kill 60 innocent Americans a month in mass shootings and it is almost always a semi-auto that is used.
     
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    You're the one deflecting from my question.
     
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    Thank you for the sources that prove his claims are mostly smoke.
     
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    I sometimes wonder why it seems like some people don't bother to do a little research before making absurd claims like he did.
     
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