The 2020 Election wasn’t Stolen, it was Bought by Mark Zuckerberg

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Money isn't speech. It's a tool used to buy something.
     
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    Is running a billboard free speech, is producing and paying to have a TV ad run free speech, is running an ad in the newspaper free speech, is running something on social media free speech. It all takes money.
     
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    A Brennan Center report by Daniel I. Weiner pointed out that a very small group of Americans now wield “more power than at any time since Watergate, while many of the rest seem to be disengaging from politics.“

    “This is perhaps the most troubling result of Citizens United: in a time of historic wealth inequality,” wrote Weiner, “the decision has helped reinforce the growing sense that our democracy primarily serves the interests of the wealthy few, and that democratic participation for the vast majority of citizens is of relatively little value.”
    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/citizens-united-explained

    CU money isn't buying billboards. They're buying favors. And the more money they have the more favors they can get.

    That's why it's like bribery.
     
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    It was about person(s) being able to exercise their right to free speech. That was being challenged and in fact infringed upon by a law banning ads about a candidate weeks before the election. UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Why do you support limiting free speech? You are free to spend on your own or with others being that money or your time. You can be fully engaged.

    You don't believe Planned Parenthood, Green Peace, Citizens for Green Energy under their various groups should be able to spend money and buy ads and billboards and air time to support their causes? How about unions?
     
  5. dairyair

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    Why all the silly questions? Money is money. No matter who is using it as a tool to purchase something. But money isn't speech.
     
  6. Statistikhengst

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    LOL.

    That made absolutely no sense at all.

    But hey, you do you, ok.
     
  7. Pro_Line_FL

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    American voters don't cast their votes because someone is "outsider". If they did, he would not have won in 2016.

    He was fired for being a hyper-divisive whiner and blame-shifter, not to mention he was an off-the-charts narcist.

    There has been quite a few successful business folks who are dems, but I suppose you can accuse anyone of being a liar or cheater, since ever adult has lied at some point.
     
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    It has everything to do with dark unlimited money flowing to politicians on both sides of the aisle. Billionaires fund pacs and politicians. If you have a problem with Mark Z giving money to who he chooses, SCOTUS is the place to change it. Mark Z broke no laws.
     
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    It was fortified.
     
  10. Hey Now

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    And Corporations are not people. They are business entities.
     
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    Maybe to you. Reality is often different from what many believe it seems.
     
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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, he believed the swamp had the same interests in a bigger and better America as he did, and did not feel they were an opposing force. That was one of five fatal mistakes. (The good ship “Common goal” has long since sailed.)
    His vision was to put the industrial engine to work for American citizens, not illegal aliens and the Chinese. That was his second fatal mistake. (The good ship “America First” had been sold to China for scrap)
    Big Tech and the multinationals had too much riding on their monopoly positions and influence to let some “free trader” start getting all uppity and trying to dilute their power. That was his third fatal mistake. (Americans became “products”)
    If the FBI, The DNC and Perlins-Coie, got together and colluded with the media to undermine his administration with false stories, I’d be a little harsh with my critics, too. That was his fourth fatal mistake.
    His fifth fatal mistake was believing “The media could not be so corrupt they would actually be a party to such a thing”.
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I watched today a video of some kids being asked general questions. And they had no clue that Brazil was not part of Asia.
    I see far too much general knowledge ignorance making some say things like above.
    I would explain if it would help. However my past experience is once a person thinks Brazil is in Asia, they are hard to educate.

    For all of us, the fact that the laws treat Corporations the way they treat other owners, only means corporations are held liable for laws and can be sued in a court.
    I want you to imagine General Motors damaged you and you were told since Corporations are not people, you can't sue GM. I bet that would flip the switch real fast.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is precisely correct. The media defeated Trump not Biden. Voters were being trained to hate Trump by our own Media.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You actually want us to believe you know the laws? That you spent time to research all the laws of 50 states?

    Be serious.
     
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    Not the least of which is you need a single individual human with whom the buck must stop.
     
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    Second quote, I'll ignore.

    The thread topic is about political donations and their influence on a political outcome. Your example is of something else (personal damages), so yes, Corporations are not people too. Citizen's United is bad for a democratic republic and bad for a representative vote.
     
  18. Robert

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    Zuckerberg did not take out Ads, he went deep into the election process and changed outcomes.
    How would you think were it to happen to Democrats?
     
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    This is not about Zuckerberg giving money to a candidate, which BTW is limited to $2500. When you know enough about what this IS about let me know and we can continue.
     
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    Sounds as stupid as the Russians interfered with the election in 2016.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can purchase an election when you insert your paperwork, people and funds to the cause. Zuckerberg had a mission to defeat Trump and his money was used for that. He was far worse than the Russians.
     
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    No one saw Zuckerberg coming. He operated audaciously under the radar - which is pretty easy for a democrat to do.
    We were more concerned about enemies like Russia, than having a US company become part of the election infrastructure as well as an active participant.
    You can’t scratch your butt in America without breaking some law or another, and Zuckerberg broke a law somewhere - RICO if nothing else.
     
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    Then Zuckerberg clamped down as would the Nazis on the Facebook accounts who he did not agree with. And strangled them to shut them up. All to the joy of Democrats.
     
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    Devolving prose is in of itself admission of failure. Let's get Citizen's United overturned.
     
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    This has NOTHING to do with CU and it seems you do not know what is CU or the 1st Amendment.
     

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