The absurdly unfeasible problems with "no-planes" on 911

Replies made to counter this absurd and moronic claim are ignored and rolled off the first page deliberately. This thread is going to highlight the major problems with the insane "no-planes" claim.

Let's set the scene at "Evil-Gubments-Us". Preliminary planning meeting where the top 3 evil-murderers are hooking up.

The basic premise of 4 hijacks has been established, now what:

Shadowy figure 1: Right, so once we've got control of all 4 planes, fly towards New York and hit both WTC towers, the other two to Washington DC and hit the Pentagon and The White House.
Shadowy figure 2: No. I disagree. I think we should use bombs. Nobody will notice.
Shadowy figure 1: Ok, so doesn't that kind of complicate it a bit? There's some dead smart "truthers" out there, they just "see things".
Shadowy figure 3: I think we should use military planes instead.
Shadowy figure 1: Sorry guys, surely we're needlessly complicating this?
Shadowy figure 2: No, not at all. Piece of cake.
Shadowy figure 1: Well now....

• Now we have to involve countless numbers of people to dispose , of the actual planes!
• Burn it up and distribute parts all around Manhattan/Washington etc. Including a plane engine!
• HEY, why don't they just PRETEND to corroborate the serial numbers!?
• We have to coerce all the eye-witnesses.
• Dozens of different videos have to be fabricated and the people involved coerced!
• Numerous live transmissions have to have magic overlay/composites when the target is moving!
• We have to involve a team to blow up the building/launch the missile/other plane whichever batshit alternative is suggested!
• We need a team to take down light poles etc.
• We gotta dig out a crater in Shanksville and spray DNA and plane fragments everywhere.
• We need a team of psychopathic demolition experts - they must be invisible to others, gain access to both WTC buildings somehow and plant magic explosives that pull the exterior of the building INWARDS!
• Enormous "thermate-cutters" need to be installed! How big do you figure just one would need to be to cut one column?
• We have to dispose / murder all the passengers, dismember some of them and scatter their DNA all over the crash site!
• Now we have to get actual passengers to fabricate(really!) their audio transcripts and phone calls!
• On the WTC there are 47 columns just on the inner core. So how many charges do you figure to rig the whole building?
• We need to coerce the emergency workers in case they see remains of one of these magic cutters, there would need to be a considerable number of them.
• We have to get them designed and built and delivered without anyone noticing.
• There can be no paper/electronic trails for any money, materials, staff payments etc. for these machines. These things would need loads of specialist parts built.
• Hopefully there are no staff wondering why they are building thousands of these huge thermite cutters? Plus none coming forward after the event and going "hang on a minute"!
• Then we need to get god knows how many people to commit to invisibly planting them, knowing they are going to murder thousands of Americans!

Shadowy figure 2 and 3: Sorry boss. We're just not thinking straight. You're right it's totally insane to even consider. But what the hell, let's just do it.
Shadowy figure 1,2 and 3: High fives everyone.
Shadowy figure 2: Boss, boss, I've got it. Why don't we install some cannons in the building, then we can fire off all the engine bits into the streets.
Shadowy figure 1: Works for me, dead easy to install, let's do it. Where's my brandy?

Posted by way of showing how absurd the planning meeting would have gone, surely, SURELY any one can see the major issues here?

All of the above is necessary and so much more, all coordinated in such a way that "internet sleuths" like Ace Baker are the only ones "smart enough" to notice.

 

The thing that mystifies me, is not that there are foolish people who believe this no-planes batshit, it's that they argue its merits whilst keeping their heads firmly in the ground, ignoring all the above. I don't understand how anyone can do that. It's just pitifully sad.

 

You should show both side of the issue so that the viewers can see the big picture.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/9-11con-the-pentagon.598106/page-17#post-1074324492


Planes hit the twin towers but a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

WTC 9/11 | First Plane Hit in North Tower | Jules Naudet Video (Remastered 60fps AI Upscaled)


18 Views of Plane Impact in South Tower | 9/11 World Trade Center (2001)

 

This is a duplicate thread to a thread already in progress!

The nonsense in the OP has already been refuted here: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...second-plane-i-saw-it-no-second-plane.610889/

Why did you make a duplicate thread?

How many more threads are you going to start on this same thing?

 

Nope.

Stop "pretending" you've answered it, nowhere have you addressed any of the above. NONE of it is nonsense. EVERY one of the points raised are valid and need to be addressed.

It isn't a duplicate and it's to stop people burying and avoiding the evidence.

One. Please don't feel obligated to post here. You haven't addressed the OP and neither has @Scott.
If you wish to talk about duplicates, this no-plane batshit is being posted all over this sub-forum. THIS list of problems highlighting how insane it is, now has its place for all to see.

 

How come you aren't arguing this issue with @Kokomojojo ? Go back and look at the list. It applies to the Pentagon with a couple of obvious NY specific points.
Kindly address the OP or feel free to avoid this thread. What about Shanksville? Are you a 2 planer?

How on Earth can you not see how totally absurd this is? Regardless of how convincing you find your cherry picked and flawed "evidence", what stops you from understanding how ludicrous this is, in both the actioning and planning. How do YOU figure they got this massive shopping list of things performed with no problems and objections?

 

No-planers reject the idea that actual planes took off, certainly one of the current members arguing this does. So the list on the OP turns into an even bigger list of insanely ludicrous activities. Remember, all these flights were scheduled, bookable online etc. They were serviced at their respective airports, loaded with food, cleaned, fuelled. They were prepped and monitored for take-off and monitored during flight. These flights appeared on the airport(s) Departures/Arrivals boards.

With no actual flight!

• Don't forget to fake all the actual passengers. If they exist, they have to be "disappeared".
• They can't be alive.
• All their relatives must either be convinced they were on the flight or coerced - this is by no means an easy task!
• Their funeral/memorials must be faked or they genuinely believe the point above.
• All subsequent compensation litigation. Insurance firms must be primed to pay out.
• The take off must be faked. MEH!
• The actual plane must be disposed of.
• All air traffic control interactions!
• All radar readings.
• Don't accept any actual bookings for the "fake flight" even though it's scheduled regularly.
• All contracted cleaning firms must fooled.
• Refuelling teams must be briefed.
• Food contractors must be made aware, or actually load the plane.

It's all so very, very daft. It's almost worse than flat-earth.

 

I think that a plane didn't crash there. This analysis makes sense. I think it reflects what happened. Start watching at the 2:19:29 time mark.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)

 

This is what was asked!

 

Regarding Shanksville, THIS is what happens to a plane when it hits an immovable object!


I suggest you take time out from watching idiotic 4hr videos and watch 20 seconds of this one. It totally disintegrates! It is completely unlike ANY accidental crash because the pilot is not trying to save the aircraft but annihilate it.

 

I made my opinion clear here.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...aw-it-no-second-plane.610889/#post-1074239118

This is from the comment section of the video.

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It is a great shame that at no point do they show whatever is left. Lots of concrete dust and then the footage stops. My guess is there is a substantial blob of metal in the trench below the concrete slab. Never seen an aircraft vaporise yet, no matter the speed. And this footage never comes close to showing an example, sadly. But if they omit the last bit of footage, it sure looks convincing to most I guess.
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It annoys me to no end that the aftermath of the crash isn't shown
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If you look closely, you will see, part of airplane (engine probably) actually punctured the wall.
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This video is very incomplete. We can see the collison from many angles, but ONLY from the side of the collision. We can not see from the other side. Can the phantom break throgh the concrete wall? Can we see any part of the airplane (it has strong parts also, not only thin aluminium plates) apearing on the other side? So, from these angles the gigantic smoke covers all important details in the end of the collision, we can see the start of collision only (because of the smoke cold), but the finish would be much more interesting.
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I think I see some engine parts here.
https://twitter.com/Casillic/status/1203529208460464128


Were there any engine parts at the Shanksville crash site that could be identified as 767 engine parts? If there were, we still have to wonder if they were planted.

 

Which doesn't answer the question! Who did you make your opinion clear TO?

Irrelevant off topic garbage. The jet disintegrated.

And where do you think they were found?

Possibly, but only if they use 767 plane parts on the actual plane - a 757-222.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...ight-93-did-crash-on-911-in-Pennsylvania.html
"How big was the crash site and what did the wreckage look like?

The first responders described the crater as about 15 feet deep and about 30 feet across. It was irregularly shaped. The wreckage around and inside the crater consisted of largely unrecognizable pieces of twisted metal, pieces of the landing gear of the plane, a tire, the frames of some of the seats, bits of charred paper, and remnants of luggage and clothing. Most of the pieces of wreckage were quite small, the size of a notebook or smaller. Many more pieces of wreckage, also quite small, were recovered during the investigation when the crater was excavated. Extensive searches through the wooded area south of the crash site, and even arborists in the tree tops found more debris from the crash. A pond about 900 feet southwest of the crater was partially drained to recover debris. Debris was collected from the yards of nearby homes, farmer's fields, and from around a nearby residential lake. The largest and heaviest pieces recovered were parts of the plane's two engines and a piece of fuselage with several window openings. This fuselage piece measured about six feet by seven feet and was found near the woods south of the crater. Lightweight paper items were found as far away as New Baltimore, eight miles away."

Circular logic. Have you even researched the coroner's report about hits of mangled bodies!?

If you avoid the OP once more you are doing so deliberately.

 

I didn't avoid it. Click on the link in post #3. Take some time to look at all the info there. I'll bet a lot of viewers are doing so.

 

I clicked your spammed link and nowhere does it address any of those issues. It would be dead simple for you to summarize such, but instead you assume that people want to wade through 4hrs of batshit in the hope of finding something!

Why do you never provide your own analysis, why is it always a stupid video with no commentary. You are deliberately evading the OP and "pretending" you have answered it. Here, just 3:

• Now we have to involve countless numbers of people to dispose , of the actual planes!
• Burn it up and distribute parts all around Manhattan/Washington etc. Including a plane engine!
• HEY, why don't they just PRETEND to corroborate the serial numbers!?

It should be simple to write a sentence or two explaining how this was all done and how many people you think were involved. For me, and I suspect everyone viewing, it is utterly insane to choose not to simply crash the damn plane(s)!

For Shanksville, why!!? I mean why the hell don't they just crash the thing into the ground - it is just ridiculous. They need to get rid of passengers/planes/luggage etc. Manufacture calls. They then need to dig out a crater fill it with explosives, mangle bodies and the plane and spread them around a vast area and do it really quickly! All the radar data has to be manufactured, all sightings coerced etc.

How can you not see how stupid this idea is?

People boarded this plane, crew boarded this plane. How did they get the damn thing landed somewhere else, mangled up etc.? Did they march everyone off and execute them? Who did this? Do you seriously think anyone volunteers to execute all those people, then mangle and burn them all up? Then dump bits of their bodies in a truck and spread them around Shanksville.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

 

I just went looking for some comments that are no longer found. In the process I discovered a couple of old threads from 2014 on identical crap to the ones you currently have going!

 

How many people to dispose of 4 planes, where and how the hell are they going to do this?

If all the original crew and passengers are onboard, it basically involves hijacking the damn plane (duh) or spinning some story to them to go somewhere else. This with nobody onboard noticing, communicating THAT via cell phone, ATC noticing, radar tracking seeing it.

That's before they got them all out after burning and mangling the plane.

It's all so very moronic. There is a logic-vacuum here, so big that it defies belief that anyone can maintain such a stupid claim. Just this one necessary thing is a vast and complicated undertaking, orders of magnitude harder than the actual hijack!

 

and truthers NEVER have answers to these types of questions …

 

Correct. This is a fundamental issue with every conspiracy theorist. Difficult questions that expose their claims with clear and obvious logical failures ALWAYS get evaded. It's not even an inaccurate observation, it is every time and deliberate.

For me, I cannot fathom how this effective "trolling" is preferable to what they actual claim to be doing - "truth seeking". Here's another one from the OP expanded:

• HEY, why don't they just PRETEND to corroborate the serial numbers!?

It's been claimed that there can't be planes because they didn't find enough pieces and they didn't release any reports corroborating the "serial numbers" with the plane.

High energy impacts disintegrated most of the planes, only safety specific parts are logged against the airframe and larger pieces WERE recovered, such as landing gear, engine pieces, fuselage pieces etc. If ALL these planes were faked (the sheer moronic nature of this!) then this involves a whole team of people taking this registered plane, mangling and burning it, then distributing these mangled/burnt pieces around the crash sites.

What world of batshit failure stops the "evil-perpetrators" from simply using these pieces from the real planes and saying they have confirmed the actual plane from them!

It's all so very, very ludicrous.

 

There are plausible scenarios. Our not knowing which scenario is the true one doesn't make the proof that the government did it go away.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/9-11con-the-pentagon.598106/page-17#post-1074324492

 

List them! I find it utterly pathetic that you link to your 90 times spammed batshit "Pearl-Harbor" video without EVER offering commentary! You take 1 line from a post, ignore the detail and run away!

Two things. One YOU haven't detailed any plausible scenario or answered directly anything in this thread. The "proof" the government "did it" is an absurd failure of logic, critical thinking and a complete dismissal of unbelievably difficult things needed to be done.

What is wrong with you? Do you think these make sense!?

 

@Scott

Are you afraid to debate properly? Do you have an opinion of your own that you are able to express? Now answer the damn posts properly! Hell, at this moment all I'm arguing about is that there were frickin' planes on 911!

 

The comedy gets worse - now we have the team responsible for plane mangling/burning "screwing up", because Mr-Batshit-John-Lear says the engine is the wrong one. Then an "expert" is cited straight from batshit central "Rense" who confirms what Mr-Batshit-John-Lear says!

Those stupid plane-mangling fools must have burnt the wrong plane and used the wrong engine. Yes that sounds perfectly feasible. No way would two major sources of batshittery be wrong. Twelve years ago this sad, sorry insanity was laughed at here.

EDX: So an unknown "airliner mechanic" says its not from a Boeing 767 posted on Rense of all places, and you think that's all you need?
My first question would be why do you think these conspirators would intentionally plant an engine that wasn't from a Boeing 767 in the streets in order to fake evidence that a Boeing 767 crashed .... especially when they know people will take pictures of it and then someone could just stand up and say that it couldn't be from that plane?
Isn't it more likely that this claim is nonsense, even if there was no plane?

Greedo: What is it with you CTers and perspective? Seriously. Too many airline mechanics would notice this. Not to mention all the other aviation nuts out there.

Okay, lets assume your CT is right, just for a second. Let's see how this went. Teh evul bosses order an engine to be placed near ground zero. Okay, for that they need an engine. They will ask someone who has an idea about aircraft engines (I don't assume teh evul NWO bosses have aircraft engines just lyin' around) "Hey, we need an engine for a 767." and the aircraft dude will say "No Problem, here is an engine for a 767 (hands engine over to evul bosses)." Or, as you suggested, he says: "Sorry, I only have an engine for a 737, will that do?" and teh evul bosses say "Yes! With this we can prove just how stupid and blind the sheeple are! Long live the NWO!"

So when did the NWO policy on leaving hints just because they can change from subliminal messages and symbols (which really don't mean anything) to obvious mistakes which really hundreds of thousands of people can immediately point to? Or are you suggesting the NWO simply screwed up? Hmm, the evil conspirators that have been going on for decades and not screwed up once, now make this massive mistake? Seems unlikely.

Why would they need to place that engine there anyway? I assume you are a "no-planer". If so, please seek help.

 

Expanding on the list:

• We have to coerce all the eye-witnesses.

On the face of it, not a big list, but it is actually quite significant when you include all the emergency first responders!
Debunking the 9/11 No-Planes Theory: First-Responder Eyewitnesses to the Planes that Hit the WTC on 9/11 (debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com)
Over a hundred, then more who saw the bits of plane scattered everywhere. It is absolutely moronic to suggest all those first responders were coerced into lying! Then we have members of the public in New York and on the Pentagon approach.

It's all so very moronic to suggest just this one thing could be done. Most of those guys at Ground Zero would give their lives to save a fellow American, so the idea that they would be involved in killing thousands of them is absolutely disgusting.

 

Predictably there have been no meaningful replies in this thread. That's ok, more space to explain the insanity being suggested.
If anyone is tempted by this batshit, read some of this blog, which also predictably is being ignored.
Debunking the 9/11 No-Planes Theory (debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com)

Just look at all those first responder eye-witnesses!

 

• Dozens of different videos have to be fabricated and the people involved coerced!

This one is the crux of stupidity. This is where the full batshit is at its worst. No-planers argue that EVERY piece of footage has been forged. They use "analyses" that most normal people bellow with laughter at. Debunked to death and of course ignored.

You can take every one of the stupid "Ace Baker"/ "September Clues" claims and tear them apart with very little effort, but unfortunately you will not be able to make any headway with believers in this batshittery.