The aftermath of Trump's acquittal in his second impeachment trial

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    That, too. The two lines of thought are not mutually exclusive. Trump makes money while he does what his handlers want him to do.
     
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    Lindsey Graham is a treacherous SOB and not to be trusted in any situation. He is as vacuous as Joe Biden, both at their best throwing a tantrum over in issue dear to their hearts till they throw it under a bus. He has no real commitment other than to Lindsey Graham. He can sound real good though.
     
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    The Hill reports, "The United Nations' nuclear watchdog agency on Monday accused Iran's government of accelerating the pace at which it violates restrictions put in place under the 2015 nuclear agreement signed among the U.S., Iran, and several European countries.

    Tehran has shown increasing willingness to ignore the Obama-era deal after then-President Trump pulled the U.S. out of it in 2018.

    "A report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released to member-states and obtained by Reuters found that Iran's Natanz facility has begun operating a third set of IR-2m centrifuges, used in the enrichment of uranium for the country's nuclear power plants."

    Thank you, Mr. Trump.
     
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    The Republican Party is in shambles, devastated by the wild vagaries of former President Trump, the titular leader of the GOP.

    First, Trump told the Republican National Committee not to use his name to raise funds to help Republicans get elected. Trump didn't want to help the 17 Republicans in the House and Senate who voted to impeach him.

    Then the RNC rebuffed a cease-and-desist letter from Trump's lawyers that warned it not to use his name or likeness to raise money from donors. Justin Riemer, chief counsel for the RNC, stated, “the R.N.C., of course, has every right to refer to public figures as it engages in core, First Amendment-protected political speech, and it will continue to do so in pursuit of those common goals.”

    Then, in a sign of the delicate dance between Trump and a Republican Party fearful of alienating him, Riemer changed his mind. He said that the R.N.C. had not and would not make fund-raising appeals using Trump’s name or likeness without his approval.

    Then Trump lashed out on email. “No more money for RINOs,” a term used to bash moderate GOP politicians accused of governing like Democrats. He asserted that they “do nothing but hurt the Republican Party and our great voting base — they will never lead us to Greatness.”

    Then Trump told his supporters to instead send money to his political action committee, Save America.

    Trump is competing with the GOP’s fundraising operation and lashing out at its members, further complicating his status as a Republican Party leader.

    I shyt you not. Honest, this is really happening. You can check with my sources.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/09/us/trump-rnc.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/09/tru...e-him-money-not-republicans-in-name-only.html
     
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    I wouldn't say the Rs are in shambles, they are being restructured as is the Democrat Party. They are both 'becoming' and the mid terms will give a look as to what.
     
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    Trump is likely to be indicted soon!

    The Independent reports, "A former key witness in the Watergate investigation that brought down President Richard Nixon says indictments are on their way to Donald Trump.

    John W Dean, who served as Mr Nixon’s White House Counsel before testifying against him, pointed out on Twitter that former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen met with the Manhattan District Attorney’s office for a seventh time on Wednesday.

    “From personal experience as a key witness I assure you that you do not visit a prosecutor’s office 7 times if they are not planning to indict those about whom you have knowledge,” Dean tweeted. “It is only a matter of how many days until DA Vance indicts Donald & Co.”
     
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    OMG... an "insurrection"!!!!!

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    No guns. No plan. Such a threat to our Democracy! I know, we should turn the Capitol into a fortress.
     
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    Typical Trump supporter, you dealt only with my opening sentence. You could not deal with the other 99.9% of the article that proves what the sentence said.

    Why? It is is called reality. Trump's followers are not fond of reality. Reality reveals the truth about Trump.
     
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    I gave you the rest of my opinion, you just don't like it.
     
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    All the former Presidents got together to urge Americans to get vaccinated.

    All the former Presidents except one, that is.

    CNN reports, "All living former Presidents Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and their respective former first ladies -- with the exception of the Trumps -- are part of a newly released ad campaign urging Americans to get the coronavirus vaccine when it is their turn, a push that is aimed squarely at combating vaccine skepticism.

    "The ad campaign reunites almost every member of the so-called President's Club, the group of living former commanders in chief. Former President Donald Trump and former first lady Melania Trump are not featured in either ad, the only living president and first lady to not participate."

    Trump put out a statement claiming credit for the vaccine, but he was not included in the ad promoting it to the American people.

    In March, the public found out Trump had been vaccinated.

    NBC News reports, "Former President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump quietly received the Covid-19 vaccine at the White House in January, a Trump advisor told NBC News on Monday. The official White House photographer was not present to document the event.

    Trump, who spent months publicly downplaying the virus' impact while discouraging mask-wearing, did not tell his followers that he had been vaccinated. It would have been helpful and probably would have saved some from hospitalization or, worse, death, if Trump had told his fans that he had been vaccinated.

    For reasons known only to him, Trump kept his vaccination a secret until the New York Times found out the truth.
     
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    I quoted the important part of your post. The rest had nothing to do with what I wrote. What I wrote concerned Trump and the RNC. Your reply avoided mentioning Trump and the RNC.

    A lot of Trump's fans are avoiding Trump these days.
     
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    That is correct. No points are awarded to democrats for failing.
     
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    Biden had no way to gin up more vaccines given his rush to create EOs in time for his evening going to sleep time of 7 pm.

    Trump does deserve credit and if he was not party to endorsing it to Americans, blame the media for not allowing him to be party to that. I saw it all on TV live. Biden has his sycophants handing out praises and doing no fact checking on things he said.
     
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    Pick that Trump out of your nose please.

    Don't you have time to bless your hero Biden who is taking full credit for the vaccines.

    Call out Biden for that lie.
     
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    You said it was in chaos and I disagreed. They seem to be changing the guard and I mentioned that I believe that is the case for both parties.
     
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    And I addressed the important part of yours.
     
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    Jonathan Allen wrote recently, "Many Americans want to forget about former President Donald Trump, but President Joe Biden won't let them."

    Democrats are celebrating their victories over Trump and Trump Republicans, capturing the House, Senate, and the Presidency. They are not eager to forget Trump and those victories.

    So, those "many Americans" would be Trump's followers. Following Trump's second impeachment, his incitement of an insurrection, and a seven million vote loss, they really don't want to talk about Trump anymore.
     
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    You did? Where?

    Which post did you discuss the funding issues I raised in post #204?

    I will say it again. The Republican Party is in shambles. Trump has totally confused the issue of donations. He wants to make money off his failures from his fans who still believe his lies.
     
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    Trump's own defense secretary blames him for the insurrection on Jan. 6.

    Donald Trump’s former acting defense secretary Christopher Miller blamed the deadly Capitol riot on Trump’s incendiary speech in Washington before the building was stormed by his supporters, he told Vice News in a startling interview revealed Thursday.

    “Would anybody have marched on the Capitol, and overrun the Capitol, without the president’s speech? I think it’s pretty much definitive that wouldn’t have happened,” said Miller, a hawkish Special Forces veteran chosen by Trump to replace former Defense Secretary Mark Esper days after the 2020 presidential election.

    Asked directly by Vice if he thought the president was responsible for the violence at the Capitol, Miller responded: “It seems cause-and-effect, yeah.”

    Trump had repeatedly claimed American voters’ choice of Joe Biden was illegitimate. He urged his followers on Jan. 6 to move on the Capitol. “And we fight,” he urged. “We fight like hell. If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

    Listeners quickly began moving toward the Capitol and were soon engaged in hand-to-hand combat with police officers guarding the building.

    Stunned viewers across the nation watched rioters on TV rampage through the Capitol. Yet Pentagon officials didn’t approve a request to deploy troops for nearly 3½ hours, Maj. Gen. William Walker, head of the D.C. National Guard, told a Senate hearing early this month. It was a delay that could have resulted in a massacre or a government takeover by right-wing extremists loyal to Trump.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/defe...trump-capitol-riot_n_604a9930c5b672fce4eb64a0
     
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    Was the Jan. 6 insurrection planned or was it spontaneous?

    NBC News reports, "More than two months after the U.S. Capitol was attacked on Jan. 6, the Justice Department has yet to answer a key question: Was the siege planned well in advance?

    "Or was the decision to storm the building made on the spot by demonstrators who conspired to go to Washington to engage in violent protest in the streets?

    "In the days immediately following the riots, federal prosecutors suggested in court documents that two separate extremist groups made up of followers of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, planned to forcibly enter the Capitol and stop the official counting of Electoral College votes for president.

    But no evidence of any planning well in advance has yet been revealed, and a recent court filing suggests that such a plan may not have been formed until the actual day of the riot.

    Trump had repeatedly claimed American voters’ choice of Joe Biden was illegitimate. He urged his followers on Jan. 6 to move on the Capitol. “And we fight,” he urged. “We fight like hell. If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
     
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    Those who arrived in DC had not heard the Trump Speech yet they came by the hundreds of thousands it is said.
    Trump as the president had every right to talk.

    Trump in fact acted as had Democrats in 2017. Trump however did not pull the trick Obama pulled by releasing a false report saying Trump was in league with the Russians. That was proven wrong but the press ran with it and did all they could to persuade the public it was true. And when Mueller proved it wrong, the press said so ho hum.

    Trump did admonish all going to the Capitol to do it in peace and respectful.
     
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    Has Trump made himself irrelevant? Many, including most Republican lawmakers, sure hope so.

    Politico writes, "He backed away from creating a third party and has soured on the costly prospect of launching his own TV empire or social media startup.

    "His vow to target disloyal Republicans with personally-recruited primary challengers has taken a backseat to conventional endorsements of senators who refused to indulge his quest to overturn the 2020 election.

    "And though he was supposed to build a massive political apparatus to keep his MAGA movement afloat, it’s unclear to Republicans what his PAC is actually doing, beyond entangling itself in disputes with Republican icons and the party’s fundraising arms.

    "Ex-president Donald Trump finds himself adrift while in political exile. And Republicans, and even some allies, say he is disorganized, torn between playing the role of antagonist and party leader.
    “There is no apparatus, no structure and part of that is due to a lack of political understanding on Trump’s behalf,” said a person close to the former president."

    We know one thing. As the leader of the Republican Party he sure has been quiet. Perhaps it is because he has has nothing important to say.
     
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    The only way to support Trump is to lie as is the case with the statement above.

    A bipartisan Senate report released Tuesday affirms the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in a far-ranging influence campaign approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin and aimed at helping Donald Trump win the White House.

    The report rejects Trump’s claims that the intelligence community was biased against him when it concluded that Russia had interfered on his behalf in the election. It says instead that intelligence officials had specific information that Russia preferred Trump in the election, that it sought to denigrate Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, and that Putin had “approved and directed aspects” of the Kremlin’s influence campaign.

    The heavily redacted report from the
    [Republican -led] Senate Intelligence Committee is part of the panel’s more than three-year investigation into Russian interference.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...cks-assessment-that-russia-interfered-in-2016
     
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    What you claim does not prove I am the liar. Oh now the senate overruled the Mueller Report?

    My point had nothing to do with Russia other than to one more time show Mueller cleared Trump.

    The Media did not correctly verify the story to begin with and kept lying about Trump. Who cares who the Russians preferred? Do you care that China prefers Biden?

    We did a full blown investigation and the report is called the Mueller Report.
     
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    I am thrilled that daily you talk about Trump.
    Thank you so much.

    The many misunderstandings are not all your fault.

    It keeps you from bragging about Josef Biden who is scurrying off to bed about this time of day.
     

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