The air tight case against Michael Brown and opinions

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  1. Curiosity

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    [video=youtube;dd5sQEI_chs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd5sQEI_chs[/video]
    This is the summary of the case by the prosecutor. While he was explaining how witnesses lied, admitted to making stuff up, changed stories to fit the facts, were discredited by forensic evidence, and admitted to never even seeing the event in the first place, the crowd in Ferguson was not interested in listening. Chants of "F T P" could be heard even before he started speaking, and once the decision was stated, the crowd was done listening. Since then many people continue to believe Wilson is guilty. Accusations of bias handling over the case continues. Accusations of racism continue in a case where the black AG Holder has personally involved himself. Do you honestly think a cover up is possible with such scrutiny?


    Court documents are available here:
    http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

    Multiple witnesses (who were black) supported Wilson's story. Witness #10 speaks to how upset it made him that so many people were lying. The smoking gun in this case is the forensic evidence. Evidence of the assault taking place in the vehicle is crystal clear. Evidence of Mike Brown's "charge" is also supported by a blood trail that extends 25 feet past where Mike Brown's body was. The charge is also verified by several witnesses. While witnesses can be mistaken the forensic evidence is 100% solid. There is no question in this case.

    Wilson's statements that he was in "enemy territory" are clearly supported by the facts of the case and the willingness of local residents to lie to investigators and the media about what had transpired. I chalk this up to a victim mentality that has been encouraged by liberals. This victim mentality has festered resentment and anger and manifested itself in riots. They never place the blame on criminals for their actions and always make excuses that the system is holding them back. These neighborhoods need to re examine their belief that police are the problem, they are not. Criminals are the problem.

    The resentment continues as officer Wilson's home address and a picture of his house appear on Twitter. The media continues to air opinions without challenging them with the facts of this case. They allow people to go on and proclaim their distrust of the system and point out minor flaws that would never have changed the outcome of this case. There is simply zero chance of this man being proven guilty in a court of law given the evidence. This isn't a conspiracy, it's because he truly is innocent and acted appropriately given the situation. Given that fact, that he is innocent of any crime, he should not be charged with any crime, nor would putting him through a trial be any form of justice when the evidence clearly shows his innocence.
     
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    Why do you believe anything he has to say? Where is the police car camera footage?

    Why did Wilson's face look like it was tickled by a feather instead of beaten savagely by a wild ape man?
     
  3. Curiosity

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    What who has to say? WIlson? Because he is an officer of the law who has never shot anyone before and has zero complaints against him. Because all of the forensic evidence and multiple credible eye witnesses testimony verifies his account of what happened. How much proof do you need? It sounds like you are ignoring a plethora of evidence and insisting that an officer look like Rocky Balboa before defending themselves.
     
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    What evidence? You've never seen any of it?

    All you've seen is a picture of Wilson's face and it looks like he got in a tickle fight.

    If a man is fighting for his life I expect him to look at least as beat up as Zimmerman....at least...and that's saying something because Zimmerman look like he maybe hit his head on a wall to cover up his murder.

    Wilson? Looks like a tickle fight.
     
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    Are you trolling me? Are you aware there was a struggle for the firearm inside the vehicle? Are you aware there is a blood trail 25 feet past MB's body and multiple credible eye witnesses that confirm he charged?
     
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    What credible eye witnesses? Everything you know about this case is from a CORRUPT media, you don't believe the Media when they tell you about Obama or Benghazi or IRS scandal. But you believe them about Wilson?

    Just look at Wilson's "the tickler" face.

    Pictures don't lie.

    Wilson's face does not have an orbital fracture, but they lie and say it did...

    Wilson did have a ticklefight...that's about it.
     
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    I don't need media opinion i have the result of the grand jury investigation. The video to the prosecutor's summary of the findings, and the link to the court documents in the OP.
     
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    Plenty of Grand Juries in the south found Whites not-guilty of murder when they lynched blacks.

    So what's your point?

    Wilson's face looks tickled, not a fight for his life.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and how many of those Grand Juries had Black members? how many Blacks testified in those grand juries confirming the Whites story?
     
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    Do you have any evidence that disproves Wilson?
     
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    I actually read all of those interviews of witnesses on that link. The white worker's interview as not there. Why?

    Two interviews stated Brown "charged" the officer. What are the chances both people would use that word? And both of these accounts were very specific, in to what even brown was wearing, and his friend. Very detailed. Makes me wonder, if these are not coached, or contrived accounts.

    A couple of these interviews went in the other direction, saying the officer after downing the kid, came up and did the kill shot while the did was on the ground. Can't believe that either.

    But two of the interviews sounded much more realistic. That brown ran off, the officer shot, brown stopped, turned around, did some movements like he was checking himself to see where his wound were, and then started walking towards the officer, not charging. He was then shot, paused and continued to walk, taking the last shots, and the one that killed him.

    Exactly how "in control" is a person once he has been hit a few times? What does shock do to your mental facilities? Was brown actually a threat, once he had been wounded and was staggering, which both witnesses said he was staggering.

    I ain't buying the "charging" stories. I smell a dead rat. I think we need to force the police to change their engagement using their guns, for it has been loosened up far too much in recent years. And it has killed people that in the past would have never been killed. We have got to rein the police back in, and change the rules for engagement, using lethal force. The cops are murdering far too many people, since we have eased upon the rules for shooting people.
     
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    You hit the nail on the head, simple detective games to show how witnesses have very different accounts of the same event reveals what you rightly see as "coached" testimonies.

    Now it is not uncommon to coach a testimony, but that is the duty of the prosecution to cross-examine the witnesses to reveal the original discrepancies before the coaching and THEN to determine whether those discrepancies are more reasonable than what the defense wants us to conclude by the coaching.

    Understand?

    That didn't happen in Ferguson...AT ALL.
     
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    Yes, Wilson's tickled face.

    I swear I'm talking to walls here....do you people have no common sense? A person who was fighting for his life doesn't look like he came out of a pillow fight at a sorority house.
     
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    Is that your only evidence? No wonder he wasn't indicted then.
     
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    This is 2014, hello.
     
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    So you think that a guy's tickled face is justification of murdering someone? Let's just get your official position right now.
     
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    if you climb in a cop car, and strike a cop, no matter if its a tickle or deathblow, you are going to get shot, and rightfully so. Thank for at least acknowledging that Wilson was struck.
     
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    They mentioned that some testimony was not included because it was ruled inadmissible in court by a judge. My guess is those people admitted to not seeing the event. In the heat of the moment, after having your gun almost taken away from you and being assaulted, you do what you have to do when the assailant is still coming towards you.

    I can understand why someone would lie if they hate police, but why would a black american in that neighborhood lie to protect police? It seems beyond paranoid and conspiratorial to suggest that.
     
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    Do you think a guy who reaches for your gun and charges at you should be allowed to? Let's get your position on that first.
     
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    There is no cross examination in a grand jury trial, you didn't know this?
    There is also no defense attorney either.

    A Grand Jury is all about the prosecuting attorney compiling enough evidence to bring charges against the defendant.
    And just so you know witness coaching works both ways.
     
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    The forensic evidence proves the story.
     
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    Well now, this is very interesting.

    Have you actually looked through this stuff?

    There's a lot of stuff missing here, that would be vital for the Grand Jury to understand.

    For instance - on the link page, look for the document that says "Radio Traffic". Look what they're showing you there, they have 24 pages of FLUFF. What they're not showing you is the important part, which is the radio traffic after Wilson's call for an officer-involved shooting came in.

    For that part, they rely on Wilson's testimony, and the testimony of other officers, and the testimony of the medical examiner and so on, but they're not showing us actual police radio transcripts.

    Why not?
     
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    Your total ignorance of medical science precludes you from engaging in any sort of rational discusion regarding this issue. Do you know why and how long it takes for a contusion caused by a fist to the head to turn black and blue?

    Library cards are free. Get one and use it if you want to be taken seriously.

    Michael Brown apologists are idiots.
     
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    Because you. like most human beings regardless of race creed or color, see what you want to see and not what is. I look and see that slightly greenish color that tells me of the presence of facial bruising covering most of the right side of officer Wilson's face. I'd hate to see what Officer Wilson's face would have looked like had he been struck under circumstances where Mr. Brown wasn't hampered by the fact that he was leaning inside the car.
     
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    Likely because there isn't much. Probably went something like "I just had to shoot a man."

    "Okay stay where you're at. Teams on the way. Should be there in 15 minutes."

    The last part they don't want you to know for reasons that should be obvious.
     

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