The Anti-Science of Atheism

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    Yeah! If there were such a thing as God, He wouldn't be letting us do this to you!!!
     
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    Were that the case, no one would ever know it by this thread, in which no such response has been directed my way.
     
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    A 2009 study from the Pew Research Center polled members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). Fifty-one percent of respondents reported a belief in a higher power. Does this mean that it's too late for science? Has religion already pillaged the minds of researchers worldwide? No, of course it hasn't. It just means that atheists are dishonest when they claim that Christianity and science are mutually exclusive.
     
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    So basically if you want to discover who is right about the deepest secrets of the universe then look for who donates the most blood to the red cross? Have you considered the possibility that someone may be very charitable but wrong about the origin of the universe?

    I am sorry there are some mean people on the internet who made fun of you but that doesn't mean all atheists mock Christians. Also many atheists don't see a conflict between science and religion, such as myself.

    How do you know there isn't any evidence for these ideas, did you read their books to find out? If you care about evidence so much where is the evidence for Christianity?

    I recall that he want on to explain that natural selection will select for correct word choices and it is different than monkeys bashing away.

    There are actually animals with just 5% of an eye, there are some creatures with just light-sensitive cells.

    Can I see that quote in context?

    Or he was just giving a conceptual example to lay out the structure of his idea. I do it all the time in my field of software design.

    Do you despise fake news? That is how scientists view creationists who pretend to be scientific when they aren't.

    You didn't read Dawkin's points carefully. What he means is that if a mutation can happen to a specific part of DNA it is just as likely to happen again to that part of DNA. The downhill comment factors in natural selection because it will weed out bad mutations or good mutations that have been reversed.

    Cells and bacteria aren't infections. That is just an ignorant thing to say.

    I don't entirely believe this but I do find that evolution has a lot of evidence and most creationist arguments are easily refuted and about 97% of scientists are evolutionist so I do believe most creationists simply haven't heard the full story or are biased against evolution because of their religious beliefs.

    That is more allegorical. The point is that we will become so advanced that we will be like the ancient conceptions of Gods.

    Did you know that less than 10% of top scientists believe in God?
     
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    No, your data show that there are a disproportionate number of atheists in science. Pew data shows that 3% of America claims to be atheist and 4% claims to be agnostic.

    Yet, by your count they make up nearly HALF of scientists!!

    And, you got that last one monumentally wrong, too.

    Christians can be scientists. The catch is that when people do science, their methods and results can't include their religion. No hypothesis or theory can refer to a deity, for instance. This is an obvious result of the fact that there is no way to falsify such a theory - one can't test to see whether "god did it".

    And, one can see that exclusion throughout application of modern scientific method, regardless of the religious beliefs of the scientist.
     
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    Christians do NOT think "outside the box".

    Christians conform to their interpretation of the Bible, notably by following the canon of the division of Christianity to which they adhere.

    Suggesting that is "outside the box" is absolute nonsense.
     
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    Good quote. Science focuses on questions of how. Religion focuses on why.

    That seems to be the classic division. The Pope (as well as the last previous Pope) have stated this division, too - calling science and religion different "realms" and suggesting that hunting for conflicts between the realms of "why" and "how" is not a useful pursuit.

    If you are reading the Bible, it should be because you want answers to "why".

    In my own reading of the Bible, I see more power in considering some of the central revelations as allegory. It's ridiculous to argue about whether there was a real live "Tree of Life" or "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil". It just doesn't matter. Similarly, the message of the Noah story is neither enhanced or detracted based on the severity of past meteorological events. The evaluation of mankind, the meaning of the purification of earth by water, the promise to mankind, etc., carry strong messages relating to the relationship of man and god regardless. That is, finding no evidence of past floods of that magnitude and the absence of any way of producing such an actual event on earth does not change the message any more than our failure to find a "Tree of Life" somewhere in southern Iraq changes the story of Eden.
     
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    WTF ?

    How does that prove there's a god??????

    And,yes, if god existed he'd look rather nasty to me...the world is NOT a nice place for most of it's inhabitants...if it's his fault he's a terrorist leader type.
     
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    ..If you're strapping your crazy religions ideas to the Drake equation you fully deserve the derision you will get.
    Try to think outside the box like christians do mate, I hope you atheists are not just plain scared of Jesus..:)
    Klaatu scared people too, so they shot him--

    ..If you're strapping your crazy religions ideas to the Drake equation you fully deserve the derision you will get.
    Try to think outside the box like christians do mate, I hope you atheists are not just plain scared of Jesus..:)
    Klaatu scared people too, so they shot him--
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    yes, the world is full of terrorists. That is why they are asking why God is allowing them to be such... If there is a God, why is He allowing us to do this??
     
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    My comments concerning Baylor University are facts.
    Facts supersede your "opinion/s".
     
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    BZZZT Wrong again!

    That disingenuous strawman is the dishonesty here.

    That religion is separate and distinct from science does NOT mean that Christians cannot be scientists. The survey established that about half of all scientists can and do have PERSONAL theist beliefs.

    And they are HONEST enough to not allow their personal theist beliefs to impact their PROFESSIONALISM when it comes to applying the Scientific Method to their results.

    So atheists are being honest when they state that science and theism are separate and distinct from each other but they are NOT referring to only one religion because it applies to ALL religions.

    FTR there are also scientists who are Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Shintoists, etc, etc.
     
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    But the Bible is not fiction, it's a fascinating chronicle of close encounters between humans and offworld beings spanning thousands of years of earth's history..:)
    For example in Daniel ch 5 Belshazzar looted the temple and organised a feast to drink from the stolen cups, so when a ghostly hand wrote on the wall he freaked because it translated as- "You've had your chips mate!"

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    Huh? I'm having FUN decking you atheists! Tell 'em Rock..:)-

    "C'mon, it's true, but that don't bother me, I just wanna prove somethin', I ain't no bum, it don't matter if I lose, don't matter if Dropship opens my head. The only thing I wanna do is go the distance, that's all.
    Nobody's ever gone fifteen rounds with Dropship. If I go them fifteen rounds, an' that bell rings an' I'm still standin', I'm gonna know then I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood"...

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    But mate I'm a Freelance Christian and don't belong to any church because I don't need them to do my thinking for me..:)-
    Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)
    In fact organised religionists and fundies are some of my biggest opponents on the internet debating circuit and they can't handle being slapped around.
    For example a "Reverend" Eric Potts once said to me "You disgust me", but it turned out he's not a real clergyman at all, just some jumped-up "assistant minister"; he's probably the caretaker of their local meeting hall and they bestowed that lofty title on him to keep him sweet so he'll carry on slopping out their latrines..:)

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    Now I remember! He was in 'Space 1999'..:)-

     
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    Right, I'm technically a scientist myself because I got College of Preceptors exam passes in General Science and Advanced Science in the 1960's and went on to do lab work..:)
    So naturally the Bible arouses my scientific curiosity, for example Jesus's 37 miracles were a "superscience" that we know nothing about, and overlap into quantum physics and the nature of "reality" itself..:)
     
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    And you just proved my point.
     
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    That you actually claim to believe any of what you post shows the vast wasteland of your mind. Believing in fictional books, fictional television shows and anything that you can find, no matter how idiotic, displays the full breath of your lack of independent thinking. That and the lies you tell yourself to comfort your alleged mind make you a complete joke.
     
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    Actually, technically you are a fool and a continuing teller of falsehoods with an unsupportable ego. Knowing as much about science as the average two year old does not make you a scientist.
     
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    If, in reality, you don't belong to any church it would be because they would not have someone like you. Mental instability does not present a positive face for their beliefs.

    BTW, the only "slapping around" in this thread that any of us have seen is you getting your butt kicked.
     
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    Someone needs to stay away from fantasy and go get examined for his mental health.
     
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    Science does not corroborate biblical supernatural events.
     
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    But mate it's a FACT that Christianity is the biggest world-beating peloton on the road..:)

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    "Who is it that beats the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:5)
    Jesus said - "I've beaten the world" (John 16:33)

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    But mate, science and the Bible overlap and complement each other..:)

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