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The Architecture of Right Wing Propaganda

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Arkanis, Jun 22, 2021.

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  1. Golem

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    But of course there was evidence presented in the first case: testimony of the victim. And more evidence was discovered during the hearings in the fact that Kavanaugh lied.

    We appear to have a different understanding of "no evidence". "This guy raped me" under oath would be considered evidence in any court. Whereas "two guys were not mentioned by name in the indictment of a third guy, therefore they are FBI agents" (paraphrasing) would not. Maybe you are confusing "evidence" with "proof". "This guy raped me" is not proof.... but it most definitely is evidence.

    I don't understand how you would equate the two in any conceivable way.
     
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  2. Hoosier8

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    Well, except for history and case law you might have something.
     
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  3. dgrichards

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    Tucker didn't bring them up, he created them. A vast, vast difference.
     
    dgrichards, Jun 22, 2021
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  4. Adfundum

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    We don't have a different understanding of "no evidence." It's just that I'm anal enough to separate evidence from proof. My point in all this not that the case of Kavanaugh and the claims against the FBI are the same in any way other than neither one has proof. But yes, witness testimony is better evidence than a bunch of dots arranged by a drama pundit.
     
    Adfundum, Jun 22, 2021
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  5. AZ.

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    New reporting details how FBI limited investigation of Kavanaugh allegations
    One of the accounts, reported by Deborah Ramirez, was made public at the time of Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings. The other, not publicly known until this weekend, was reported by a male classmate who said he witnessed the incident. He unsuccessfully sought to get the FBI to investigate with help from a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee who asked FBI Director Christopher A. Wray to look into the allegation.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-16/fbi-investigation-brett-kavanaugh-confirmation
     
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  7. Hoosier8

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    Total ignorance. Revolver brought them up. Tucker referred to the Revolver article and of course there is history and case law that backs up the questions.
     
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  8. Adfundum

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    Can't deny any of that. But at the same time, it's witness claims, and that's somewhat different from say, photos. Either way, it's a bit off-topic and not the point I was arguing. I'm sticking with the "Tactics" argument.
     
    Adfundum, Jun 22, 2021
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    How about they release the footage of the "riot" in it's entirety and tell us who each of the people breaking the law are? If some aren't being prosecuted, tell us why not. Problem solved.
     
    Bridget, Jun 22, 2021
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    14,000 hours of video they won't release. What's the fear?
     
    Hoosier8, Jun 22, 2021
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    And you want to suppress the story. I find the idea that the FBI infiltrated right wing groups highly likely and the idea that they acted as agents provocateurs as more likely than not.

    You act as if I should trust the FBI and all the other alphabet agencies. I do not. The FBI has long engaged in nefarious doings.
     
    Pycckia, Jun 22, 2021
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  12. Pycckia

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    14,000 hours of video? Did they have like a thousand cameras running? More cameras than cops, for sure. Hmmm...
     
    Pycckia, Jun 22, 2021
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    It was a "story" wholly fabricated by Tucker Carlson, a common practice of his.
     
    dgrichards, Jun 22, 2021
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    Carlson fabricated the story about unindicted co-consipirators? Do you mean there were none?
     
    Pycckia, Jun 22, 2021
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  15. Patricio Da Silva

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    Well, the next time I quote Snopes and you call it a liberal website and not credible source, I'll remember this comment.

    The following is a DIRECT QUOTE from the republican platform of 1956

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1956

    We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people.

    The rest of it is just forward thinking talk, pep talk, padding, most of it, plus the usual conservative platitudes about 'low regulation' 'balanced budgets' which they have only paid lip service to.

    So, all Snopes was doing was saying YES, but it also included conservative ideals, alright so the meme ommitted these.

    Okay, fine, however.,,,,.

    THE THE POINT IS, IT CONTAINED LIBERAL IDEALS WHICH CONSERVATIVES ESCHEW TODAY.

    THAT IS THE POINT.
     
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  16. Patricio Da Silva

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  17. Bullseye

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    You’re taking 70 year old political rhetoric and trying to shoehorn into today’s dialog. For instance the situation of labor unions working to get their basic rights is a tad different from today’s billion dollar political players spending members’ dues in ways the members don’t want. That’s the reason union membership has dropped from 35% IN 1956 TO 8% today.
     
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  18. Bullseye

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    Bullseye, Jun 22, 2021
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    Do you have a really handy meme like that it illustrates exactly what the far left was in those days?
     
    FatBack, Jun 22, 2021
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    LOL surely you jest... would you have had him held high above the water on a sea saw like device and dunked into the water to see if he was a witch or not?
     
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  21. Patricio Da Silva

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    I thought Taft Hartley Act was supposed to correct all the bad **** unions were doing, eh?

    Republicans have done a fine job of selling workers against unions, but what they didn't tell them was that union workers, on the whole, enjoy more pay and benefits than their non union counterparts, and all those 'right to work' ( or rather, right to kill the union ) laws didn't help, either.

    No, I'm just indicating that republicans have shifted rightward since a few decades back, and their platform proves it.
     
    Patricio Da Silva, Jun 22, 2021
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  22. Bullseye

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    So why don’t THEY tell people? How come your list from 1956 Republican platform list so many union favorable acts if they were such anti-unionists? Not very consistent.
    What it proves is that you don’t understand what the context was seventy years ago.
     
    Bullseye, Jun 23, 2021
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  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...wing-propaganda.589344/page-2#post-1072727732



    The following is a DIRECT QUOTE from the republican platform of 1956

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1956

    We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people.

    The rest of it is just forward thinking talk, pep talk, padding, most of it, plus the usual conservative platitudes about 'low regulation' 'balanced budgets' which they have only paid lip service to.


    THE THE POINT IS, IT CONTAINED LIBERAL IDEALS WHICH CONSERVATIVES ESCHEW TODAY.

    THAT IS THE POINT.
     
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  24. Patricio Da Silva

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    Your math is wrong, 65 years ago. I was a toddler, but kickin' in politics in '64 by which time I understood the 'context'

    the point was, once upon a time, republicans were far more moderate than they are now. Now they are right of Atila The Hun, as the saying goes.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying the terminology. I just think of myself as a right wing nut job. I don't approve of Nazis, though.
     
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