The arrogance of believers.

Okay, some believers. Sorry if you read the title as Beliebers. You want the "Dumbness of Beliebers" in the Music forum.

It's like when a politician tells us that God wants him or her to be elected to whatever position. Pardon me? Or the athlete crossing the end zone or the tape at the end of the race and then thanking God for the victory. Really?


How up yourself do you have to be to believe that God gives a rat's arse if you get elected as dogcatcher of Weaseldick Township or you get a nifty touchdown or you beat Usain Bolt (good luck with that last one)? Now I know God is omni everything but don't you think that's a bit too much micromanaging?

 

Actually, attributing any success to God diminishes any credit one actually deserves for earning that success by his or her own effort.

 

Christians are not perfect and God never instructs us to celebrate Him after a touchdown. Is it really any worse than thanking your mom or family or something like that? I mean your mom did not carry the ball into the end one or block for you did she?

 

It does. I think it's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) really. The so-called humble politician or athlete thanks God well knowing that it was the person's effort and qualities that got the job done But for a pollie it's probably more important after the fact to attribute success to God. I mean, if God got them elected then they have some pretty solid backing.

 

Your parents are more likely to have had a hand in your success though. Who knows. Maybe they were encouraged to go the extra mile? Maybe the parents would do anything to get them to training. God on the other hand. I am pretty sure he had no hand in any personal success.

 

My mum would have told off the biggest linebacker she could find if they gave me a hammering.

It's not just Christians. I keep seeing video on tv of fighting in Syria and while rockets are going off and bombs exploding some bloke is yelling "God is great!" as it's all happening. Now I know it means, "please protect my sorry arse" but it's along the same lines. The bloke thinks, there he is, firing at the enemy who's slinging them right back and if he yells out to God then he's going to get a magical shield that stops bullets and shrapnel just because he's daddy's favourite. Again, micromanaging.

 

You can be as smart, educated, and attractive as possible; but if God doesn't will you to get anywhere- you won't.

 

Sounds as if God has an attitude problem. But on the other hand He might be levelling things up a bit. Like, "you're smart, educated and attractive, I'm going to make sure you don't get anywhere until I say so. I'm going to let the dumb, ignorant and ugly get to the top instead". So all those dumb, ignorant and ugly people in positions of power had God backing them up. That explains Trump then.

 

Other would call it luck. Or fate. Or depending on what outcome you wished you could pick a specific god like they did in older times. At least that makes more sense to me.
You want your crops to grow? pray to Ceres. Going to war? Pray to Mars.

 

I think humanity makes God in their own image so it makes sense that some would believe that God wants the same thing that they do, or that it was by the will of God that they accomplished something.

 

Then why are so many who deny God successful? If one can be successful without God then what is the need for God?

 

That's just dumb. Many people radically change their lives after accepting Christ so why not attribute that success to God. I gave up heavy drinking and can now run a marathon which I would not have been able to do without God.

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Who said you needed God to be successful and how do you measure success anyways?

 

It's dumb to say that your parents are more likely to have had an influence on your success than god? Sorry... No.

Sure... Someone might convince themselves god or Jesus came and changed them but I and most other people I know would think you had a screw loose.

 

I don't what the above is supposed to be. Must be another attempt to ridicule God.

 

God is the Lord of all mankind. Regardless if you believe in Him or not, you are His servant, and He will continuously provide for you. It is out of His infinite mercy that He keeps those who mock Him alive and well.

And like Spooky said, who said material success is true success?

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No, only those who don't believe in God call it such.

 

Many people change because of God, that is just a fact. Whether God is real or not does not even factor into it. How many addicts or prisoners have done a complete turnaround because of God?

 

So are you blaming your god for your ignorance now?

Because he obviously kept you shortchanged when it came to education so you wouldn't "get anywhere", right?

 

I'm amazed that an atheist is not taking out his contempt on God. Better me than Him, I suppose.

 

Which god?

AHHH... I get which god now I shoulda kept reading... the god of slavery!

Well what good are slaves if they are not alive and well?

 

I gave up smoking without any help from god and I swim a mile before 6 am in the morning.

As a compassionate human secularist should I be attributing that to sheer willpower?

 

Religion is the last resort of the scoundrel because they know that if the pretend to have "found jesus" the parole board might give them an early release from prison.

 

I believe in God and in fact I attribute "successfully" beating addiction to God. But here is the thing, do I have the slightest proof that it was God who removed my addiction let alone that a God even exists? Nope! For all I know I am fooling myself, God does not exist and I just finally found it in myself to kick the addiction. Just because I believe that God removed my addiction does not mean that a God did or did not help me nor does it prove that God does or does not exist.

Saying to atheists that God removed my addiction makes me look crazy in their eyes and I think there is a 50% chance that they are right... but also I think there is a 50% chance that they are the foolish ones. Unfortunately at this time there is no definitive way to answer once and for all, does God exist.

If you do not need God to be successful then what do you need Him for? I argue faith in God has a correlation with a perceived success, like successfully entering Heaven. Can one successfully enter Heaven without God? If not then it is I who says that some believe that they need God to be successful.

What is my measure of success? What does it matter when it is a relative measurement?

 

The Creator of everything.

 

So you are contending that every person who has come to God in prison is lying?

Nice......your hate is very obvious.

 

Congratulations on beating your addiction first of all, you have my respect. Of course God did not snap His fingers and make your pain magically go away but did your belief make you want to change your lifestyle? That would make God responsible for your change.