That doesn't address what I posted: """More misogynistic demeaning of women....most women do not see abortion as whimsy or take it casually....you'll be glad to know you're right on schedule as to the dissolving of any pretense at honest debate as the misogyny starts to become apparent.....""""" YES, it IS misogynistic when you claim women have abortions on a whim or take it casually....most don't... It is misogynistic to claim that women who have had abortions will tend to have more casual sex...it's also stupid ... There is no one who promotes abortion, certainly not me....I promote rights for women. Well if you find that misogynistic then you don't know what it means... It's misogynistic to try to turn women into nothing more than breeding cattle. And YES, you will find all kinds of CRAP online that says "Abortion Bad ,,it causes all bad things"...and it may...BUT SO WHAT? So do a whole lot of other things. YOU do not get to control what others do with their lives., PLEASE don't try to pretend you care soooooo much about women that you don't want them to get depressed over an abortion...it is NOT your responsibility or business!!!!
See, you're trying to sound so reasonable but right off the bat you lie and/or "misrepresent" what Pro-Choice people say.!! I have been debating this for a while and have NEVER EVER seen any Pro-Choicer say the fetus is not human...NEVER.....and IF they did they'd be wrong. It sounds like you want everyone to agree....we won't. ...and good discussion isn't possible IF those engaging refuse to use the correct terminology, Make false claims or ignore science. Then maybe enlightened folks should stop attacking women and their rights.
Morals are subjective. If you believe morals are objective, please tell us the basis for the objectivity.
You are correct , laws aren't based on morals, they are based on the destabilizing effect on society. You are correct about abortion not threatening social order despite what Anti-Choicers drool about... ...and your attitude about abortion clearly indicates you will never be pregnant...how nice and convenient for you.. ...but it is good you keep your personal feelings out of other people's lives....
Many people who fought for this Country are now homeless. You said you were low income, does that mean you are one firing away from being homeless and therefore unwanted and not viable?
Some verses are OK with abortion; some verses oppose it. So much for the True Word of God. BTW, that's a really clever play of words...using the term "versus" to show opposing "verses".
You have every right to your beliefs. However, the laws of this Country are not, and should not, be based on your opinions. They are based of the finding of the Courts. The Supreme Court studied this subject from many different angles reached a conclusion and published a decision that, for the most part, is the law of the land.
Now you have met a pro-choicer who believes a fetus is not a human being. Now you have met a pro-choicer who believes a fetus is not a person. I could not approve of abortions if I believed otherwise.
You don't believe a fetus that is inside a human is a human fetus ? WHAT!???? Is it an animal fetus!!??? NO. I have met hundreds, and know of millions, of Pro-Choicers, myself included, who know the fetus is not a person.... Seems you have the same problem that other poster had, the correct use of words and terms. Of course a human fetus is human!!! BUT it is not A human being as in "person" "Human" is the correct ADJECTIVE for a human fetus. A human being, a NOUN, is not correct. A human fetus is NOT a PERSON until it's born....
Im glad we can have a civil, reasonable conclusion to an otherwise emotionally charged subject. The foundation of democracy right here Now the true test... should I remain allowed to opt out of my taxes being used to pay for peoples abortions? Keep in mind, folks getting an abortion is really none of my business, currently. Should that change... well, my money *is* my business, and if this is a democracy, then I have a say, a voice, in what my money is used to do in the government that I support with it. I dont want to make abortion any of my business (because i feel supporting it *is* immoral) but thats exactly what it will become if it were to be subsidized as some advocate for.
This is one of the games they use to control us. A person and a Human are not the same. 'Person' is derived from 'persona'. A person is more accurately, according to maritime law under which we are not so much governed, but more accurately 'regulated' by 'legalities' as a trade good, a type of corporation. Humans, under common law, are not subject to the majority of regulations or legalities that we are subject to. But by volunteering to adopt the 'personas' created for us by the system, by agreeing to such things as appearing in court as 'JOE SMITH' (which would be the corporate persona of the Human 'Joe Smith'), we 'consent' to be treated as our persona, as persons subject to regulation under maritime law, rather than Humans with Human Rights subject to common law. Words have very specific meanings in law, and we are not taught what those meanings really are. When you are in the legal world but dont speak legalese, its assumed that you are consenting for those who do speak it to speak *for* you and decide your fate. Technically, a fetus is *not* Human, because the legal system is allowed to define it as such. Thus it is not subject to Human rights, and can be regulated as a commodity.
I don't want to pay for unjustified wars. Yet, I and many do. It's part of living in a society. Get over yourself.
I suppose drone strikes on 3rd world village markets full of women and children are just 'part of living in a society' Thats the laziest copout 'not my problem' political argument there is.
Got any proof that sentience happens earlier than pain perception? Darn right I refuse to consider it. It's a bad choice for both mother and adoptee.
A. Abortion , a LEGAL medical procedure, should be subsidized no more nor less than any other legal medical procedure. B. The Hyde Act does prohibit federal funds from being used for abortion. C. If a few pennies go toward abortions, I do NOT care.......I don't like a lot of things my taxes pay for, like war that kills and mutilates actual people, but I don't have a choice in funding that, why should others pick and choose where their taxes go?
May I suggest rereading my post that you quoted and answer the question: """You don't believe a fetus that is inside a human is a human fetus ? WHAT!???? Is it an animal fetus!!??? NO. I have met hundreds, and know of millions, of Pro-Choicers, myself included, who know the fetus is not a person.... Seems you have the same problem that other poster had, the correct use of words and terms. Of course a human fetus is human!!! BUT it is not A human being as in "person" "Human" is the correct ADJECTIVE for a human fetus. A human being, a NOUN, is not correct. A human fetus is NOT a PERSON until it's born.... A human fetus is human just as the woman's heart, liver, colon are HUMAN....
Please re-read what I wrote. Where did I say I "don't believe a fetus that is inside a human is a human fetus"? Please re-read what I wrote. Where did I disagree? Seems you have the same problem that other some posters have, the ability to understand what is written. The term "human fetus" comprises an adjective and a noun. Did I say anything different?
I wasn't trying to answer any specific question, but rather provide some perspective on the issue which I thought some might find relevent. I think a human fetus is a human because thats the only thing it can turn into (besides dead, of course). But that doesnt mean much in this legal maze we live in. I prefer to live outside the world of arbitrary definitions of occult beaurocrats who seek to alter reality by changing and hiding the meaning of words as much as I am able. But thats a personal choice.
Well, words do have meanings, that's how humans communicate (and make laws)...and that's why we have different words for different things.
